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this is another

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episode of ufo garage i'm ben and i'm

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joe

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and this is where we talk about ufos

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aliens and uh

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yeah all things weird oh that's right

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man how you doing today ben good dude

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how are you doing

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oh man i'm uh i'm doing really well uh

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i'm i'm pretty excited today

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uh we've got michael stratt with us

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michael trapp yes michael how are you

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doing today man

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i'm doing good that's great man that's

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great hey if if you don't mind i want to

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i want to kind of fan girl out a little

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bit uh

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i just want to say man you know i'm so

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glad that

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you know we uh we met you out in

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california

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uh we got to see your talk it was

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absolutely fascinating

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um you know i had seen i had seen a few

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uh of you before and uh

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you've you've uh you've kind of slowly

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turned into one of my

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my my favorite researchers in this in

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this whole thing

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uh honestly so i'm super excited that

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you're able to make it on with us today

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man

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absolutely absolutely great great

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so uh you sent us a really cool thing uh

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your pdf of your book

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uh dark files um and i read through it

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and you know it was uh some of the stuff

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uh what you also had in your talk in

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california and ben we're sitting here

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and we were thinking

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man i wish we could get a hold of like

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some of those photos and like the stuff

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that he talked about so i'm so glad you

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said that to us we were actually

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able to read through it man it's so

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great um it's

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it's super cool been i mean hell yeah

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man dude

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after i saw that presentation i was

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super stoked you know you never really

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the an artist's rendition unless it's

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you know really quick in a small

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3d environment uh video kind of thing

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in this fashion uh in the way that it's

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portrayed it's like you really get to

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pay attention to a lot of the detail

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which i'm like astounded by some of

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uh illustrations in detail first off

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before we get

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to too far michael would you kind of

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give like just tell the people who you

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are and what you do just real quick

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sure i'm a private pilot military

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aerospace historian

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um i also cover the ufo aspect as well

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and just to kind of give a brief

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overview of

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where this information came from so that

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everybody's kind of on the same page

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striking range of kefos which is center

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for ufo studies that was 2457 west

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all in the downtown chicago area and

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files in the world perhaps probably do

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of files about 60 000 files total

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so right around you know night 2009 2010

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time frame

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um they gave me access to the collection

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there was nobody else there mark

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mark rodiger was the director and they

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gave me absolute

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full access to the entire uh archive

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the whole time i was there not one other

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person even bothered to take advantage

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of the resource that that i don't know

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is a mystery to me

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that blows my mind too that were sent to

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before he passed away and after he

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and then get right into the files and

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the manila folders would be packed

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so close to each other you could not put

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between each file that's how these

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so you know 60 thousand files i actually

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all sixty thousand so holy pull out one

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illustration a diagram

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path drawing to go with it and then a

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three-page report when i had those

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where it was just a light in the sky i

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in a 40 year old archive that will never

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and so that's the whole you know

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wow that's great man you know it's it's

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funny you said that you know

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you went into this this this facility

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and there was nobody

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anomaly yeah the anomaly archives and

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mufon stuff and all kinds of cases and

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it was the same exact thing me and ben

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went in there and there's just nobody in

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there and it kind of

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blew my mind like this is one of the

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most fascinating places

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in austin that nobody knows about yeah

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seriously isn't it so weird because

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you've got all these movies

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it's nothing but crickets

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yes yes absolutely and people are always

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things it's like well where's all the

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just don't go and do it

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it's down on fourth street like yeah you

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but it's that it's like taking the time

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downloading it like i'm guilty of this

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joe knows i think all of our listeners

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know that i don't read but

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but like if if you put a picture in

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front of me i'm very entertained

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and that's the thing that's the thing

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you know you got to make these cases

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hearing about it and seeing a a rough

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pencil sketch that's 40 years old

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it's not going to be enough the goal was

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there that you're actually witnessing it

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yes well this this uh what you sent us

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it absolutely does that it uh at the

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conference it grabbed me immediately

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and then when you sent it to us man i'm

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scrolling through and even my wife was

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like oh what is that

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how interesting and i was like yeah babe

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look check this out and

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you know we sat there we read it

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together and she even she was like this

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is really really cool

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i was like yeah this this guy knows this

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stuff for sure so

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uh and i also noticed uh it was

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to a mr jim goodall man sure yes

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yeah absolutely the way this came about

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and i i've been threatening to write

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this for years you know but

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you got to get the inspiration to do it

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that's half the battle

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so um when jim was there

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after my talk um he said you know you

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should maybe write a book and i said oh

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but then when uh paul heineck was there

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you write the book i'll write the

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yes he said that boom it was on yes we

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yes both amazing guys i mean so

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did that happen when we were all in in

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yes that's so cool man that's awesome

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and this is just so this is super fresh

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you'll notice that after every case is

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i included the references and the

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documentation so that you can verify it

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on your own it's all referenced

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yes yes you you made the book like

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so easy it's so appealing and so easy

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you know i didn't realize that at first

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he's got a reference for every single

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and that's what i love about you man is

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is you know i've even heard your talks

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you know i think one of the first things

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i saw you in i was i was doing some uh

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uh some secret space program uh you know

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uh research and i came across you and i

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out of everything this guy sounds the

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most legit

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you know uh that that whole realm of

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can if if you get into the wrong part of

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it can really leave a bad taste in your

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sure but man then i saw your stuff and i

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was completely blown away and i was so

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excited to see you out in california

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um but this is great man uh do you wanna

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do you wanna

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go through some of these uh yep let's do

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it so let's roll on it

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oh let's do it let's do it man i'm

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excited all right so i think

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why don't we start you know we'll kind

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of go chronological then

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is this so-called mystery airship wave

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of 1897.

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little bit earlier but it's always been

285
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known within ufology all over it's

286
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always been known

287
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as the the 1897 mystery airship wave

288
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and basically over sacramento what

289
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people

290
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reported seeing is kind of this long

291
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cigar-shaped craft

292
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there were reports of wings on either

293
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side with a strange rudder

294
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and then there was a gondola but what's

295
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interesting in

296
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like 95 of the percent of these reports

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they're always at night

298
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and they reported these beaming

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spotlights coming down

300
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on the city below and so it was an

301
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absolute chaos below

302
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there were people running through the

303
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streets uh covered wagons were being

304
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tipped over

305
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horses were bolting from side to side it

306
00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:01,839
was just absolute chaos because no one

307
00:10:06,069 --> 00:10:04,160
had seen anything like this before and

308
00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:06,079
who has the technology to have these

309
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beaming spotlights coming down

310
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back in 1896 this is before the wright

311
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brothers

312
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december 17 1903 at kitty hawk north

313
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carolina so

314
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this was going on before the wright

315
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brothers even flew now here's what's

316
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interesting if you

317
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read the reference works and all the

318
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newspaper clippings

319
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going from the west coast to ohio

320
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i mean there were literally hundreds of

321
00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:34,240
newspaper reports of this mystery

322
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airship wave different configurations as

323
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well

324
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but they reported generally we talked

325
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about the light shining down

326
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there were reports of anchors being

327
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lowered from these craft

328
00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:50,079
there were reports of big black dogs on

329
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the top deck of these ships

330
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there were reports of well-dressed

331
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eccentric

332
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inventors that were on the top deck of

333
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these crowds

334
00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:02,399
with monocles yeah they were reports of

335
00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:04,480
laughter coming from these craft and we

336
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have reports

337
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of these things landing and then the the

338
00:11:13,269 --> 00:11:11,200
people that came out of these craft

339
00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:13,279
they were wearing smoke colored glasses

340
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and they requested

341
00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:17,440
water wow works

342
00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:20,560
okay so we got to think you know

343
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does this sound like a alien technology

344
00:11:28,389 --> 00:11:25,440
or does this sound

345
00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:28,399
a whole lot closer to home it definitely

346
00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:30,240
sounds close to home that's for sure

347
00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:32,720
it sounds close to home that's right uh

348
00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:33,680
and then the thing is

349
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um a lot of these craft it appears

350
00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:39,680
started with a group called the sonora

351
00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:42,000
aero club that was financed by a

352
00:11:46,069 --> 00:11:42,959
mysterious

353
00:11:48,790 --> 00:11:46,079
group known as nimza and i want to give

354
00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:48,800
credit to the book called origin the

355
00:11:51,509 --> 00:11:50,880
19th century emergence of the 20th

356
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century

357
00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:54,800
uh civilization by mr bosley walter

358
00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:56,000
bosley has done a

359
00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:57,839
very good job pinning this all together

360
00:12:02,550 --> 00:11:59,040
he he has done a

361
00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:02,560
just a great job wow man you know this

362
00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:04,480
reminds me i mean we've got a very

363
00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:06,480
famous airship uh case right here in

364
00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:07,440
texas in aurora

365
00:12:11,509 --> 00:12:10,079
texas right that's right yeah yeah and

366
00:12:11,750 --> 00:12:11,519
you know i'm looking at this image and

367
00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:11,760
it

368
00:12:17,829 --> 00:12:16,800
yeah kind of a steampunk feel like

369
00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:17,839
you've ever seen uh

370
00:12:22,949 --> 00:12:20,800
wild wild west will smith you know like

371
00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:22,959
that that crazy inventor guy i mean it

372
00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:24,639
looks like something that he would have

373
00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:27,040
invented it's it's exactly it's really

374
00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,360
cool i love it with the bat wings

375
00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:32,399
i mean that's just awesome yep that's

376
00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:34,240
that's exactly what they were reporting

377
00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:35,519
all right so we'll move on to the next

378
00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:36,800
one real quick now this is

379
00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:40,160
august 13th 1947. this is the famous

380
00:12:43,829 --> 00:12:41,839
snake river canyon case

381
00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:43,839
uh where there were three eyewitnesses

382
00:12:47,110 --> 00:12:45,839
there were uh the two sons were down

383
00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,120
kind of in the river

384
00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:49,200
and then the father was up on a hill he

385
00:12:52,790 --> 00:12:50,880
was kind of looking down now all of a

386
00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:52,800
sudden according to the witnesses

387
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:54,240
and this has been confirmed in the

388
00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:56,800
nightcap reports as well

389
00:13:00,310 --> 00:12:59,680
what looks like abraham lincoln's top

390
00:13:03,030 --> 00:13:00,320
hat

391
00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:03,040
yeah cut down to the final third okay so

392
00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:04,399
you can get a sight picture here just

393
00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:04,880
take

394
00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:07,040
abraham lincoln's top hat get out a

395
00:13:10,949 --> 00:13:08,000
butter knife

396
00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:10,959
and chop the two top two thirds off and

397
00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:12,720
you're left with the bottom one third

398
00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:14,560
that thing was screaming through the

399
00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:15,920
canyon walls

400
00:13:20,150 --> 00:13:19,519
back in 1947 uh it was about 25 feet

401
00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:20,160
across

402
00:13:24,230 --> 00:13:22,959
the rim the broad rim was about one foot

403
00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:24,240
thick

404
00:13:28,150 --> 00:13:26,000
and the whole thing was about 10 feet

405
00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:28,160
thick from top to bottom

406
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,000
they said that there was a pod on either

407
00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:32,320
side that had this exhaust but not like

408
00:13:35,509 --> 00:13:34,240
exhaust on a jet liner it didn't have a

409
00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:35,519
smoky contrail

410
00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:38,720
it had it had this flame type contrail

411
00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:40,240
and he said that it looked like this

412
00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:43,120
thing was nuclear power back in 1947 now

413
00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:44,480
this is even before

414
00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:46,800
chuck yeager broke the sound barrier

415
00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:48,240
that was october 14

416
00:13:54,389 --> 00:13:51,680
1947 so this predates that oh wow

417
00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:54,399
who had the technology to do this 1947

418
00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:54,720
that

419
00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:56,160
they it looks like they made a

420
00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:57,600
breakthrough that's what it looks like

421
00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,000
yeah

422
00:14:02,069 --> 00:14:00,560
also who's familiar with uh the what

423
00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:02,079
exhaust looks like from a

424
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:03,600
nuclear-powered engine

425
00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:05,839
i mean it's like that should just be

426
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:08,000
steam right or

427
00:14:12,069 --> 00:14:10,079
if they're not using water uh maybe it's

428
00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:12,079
a different substitute yeah that's

429
00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:13,760
yeah who would even know to describe it

430
00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,240
like that that's it's a well-known case

431
00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:18,639
um it's also reported in project blue

432
00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:20,560
book they reported as well

433
00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:22,399
and as this thing flew by the

434
00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:24,560
eyewitnesses said that it had a swishing

435
00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:26,880
sound as it went by so it's not like

436
00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:29,120
there was this loud exhaust or jet

437
00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:30,959
engine no this is something

438
00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:33,519
something different for propulsion was

439
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:35,440
being used on this craft

440
00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:37,199
cool it's a well-documented

441
00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:38,720
well-documented case

442
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:41,920
okay now i want to move on to the fdr

443
00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:43,600
case which i think is another

444
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:46,639
significant case this is late 1958

445
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:50,000
guantanamo bay cuba and it's about 9 00

446
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:51,760
pm at night

447
00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:54,240
they're on a training mission and what

448
00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:54,959
they notice

449
00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:57,920
is there's a huge commotion below decks

450
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:59,440
everyone is trying to race up the

451
00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:00,639
ladders they're trying to get up to the

452
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:01,680
flight deck

453
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:04,720
all this commotion eventually about 25

454
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:07,279
eyewitnesses get onto the top deck and

455
00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:08,160
what they see

456
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:11,199
is this light that was approaching the

457
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:13,279
fdr now this is the first aircraft

458
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:14,079
carrier

459
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:16,240
to carry nuclear weapons on board now

460
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,440
that might be

461
00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:19,760
connection we don't know for sure but

462
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:20,720
the fdr

463
00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:23,839
had ufo or uso

464
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:26,079
encounters for a while it wasn't the

465
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,120
first time right

466
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:30,240
so unidentified some submerged objects

467
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:30,720
got it

468
00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:35,279
uh according to the content report

469
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,880
they never even covered uso cases they

470
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,959
missed 51 percent of this entire

471
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:42,079
phenomenon

472
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,440
they missed out on all of this

473
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:47,040
they didn't even consider it's a part of

474
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:48,639
ufology that's really not even talked

475
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:49,360
about

476
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:52,880
anyway getting back to the fdr 9 pm

477
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:55,120
this light is approaching the aircraft

478
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:57,279
carrier it gets closer and closer and

479
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:57,839
closer

480
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:00,880
and eventually according to chester

481
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:02,880
krasinski who is there

482
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:05,440
he's the primary eyewitness this is not

483
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:06,240
just a light

484
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:09,759
this is approximately 200 foot long

485
00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,040
cigar-shaped craft that's parked itself

486
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:15,600
maybe 60 feet above the flight deck all

487
00:16:19,949 --> 00:16:17,199
in eyewitness to these

488
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,959
uh naval personnel so we've got a

489
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:22,399
multi-eyewitness case and what they

490
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:23,680
described is

491
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:26,720
a series of square shaped cut out

492
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,600
windows

493
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,440
running along the length of this cigar

494
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:31,440
shaped craft and they could see what

495
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:32,320
looked like

496
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,959
quote unquote humanoid looking beings

497
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:36,959
walking in between the windows

498
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:39,519
back and forth and they could feel the

499
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:41,360
heat coming off this craft on their

500
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:44,480
faces so it's no longer a ce1

501
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:47,440
it's no longer a ce2 because the ce2 has

502
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:48,560
physical effects

503
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:51,680
we're talking about c3 now because this

504
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:52,240
thing had

505
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:54,639
physical effects and they saw some type

506
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:57,600
of a being so it qualifies as a ce3

507
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,440
wow all right now uh one of these beings

508
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:03,759
pressed itself up against the window and

509
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,799
put his hand

510
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,360
over his head like he was waving at the

511
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:08,959
personnel below

512
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:12,079
and they were waving back to these beams

513
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:15,360
yep and then this thing turned a golden

514
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:17,600
yellowish orange color and departed at a

515
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:18,720
high rate of speed

516
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:21,839
all back in 1958 well documented case

517
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:24,720
oh wow wow yeah that's that's man that's

518
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,600
incredible

519
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,919
yeah hey just a question because i have

520
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:29,520
so many questions about this particular

521
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:30,160
one how much

522
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,280
how much time do we have with you

523
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:33,919
tonight uh we we can go for as long as

524
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,320
you want

525
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,880
oh okay cool okay well i mean yeah

526
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:38,559
this we won't keep you forever but yeah

527
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:39,360
we'll catch you

528
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:40,799
we can do an hour and a half that's okay

529
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:43,919
okay sweet yeah

530
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,039
or yeah so this one like um

531
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:49,120
to you so this brings up a question that

532
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,320
me and joe were kind of talking about

533
00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:51,679
before the show like

534
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:53,679
i know you don't like to speculate but

535
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:55,120
we i do but

536
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,640
have you ever heard have you heard of

537
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,160
the uh uh

538
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:01,120
the the idea that these these craft are

539
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:01,919
kind of

540
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,640
on a tourist mission that they're from

541
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,000
the future

542
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,080
uh i i find it interesting that like

543
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:10,240
yeah you can have all these ideas of of

544
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:11,919
who's from the future or maybe it's an

545
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:13,679
alien race but like

546
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,919
i i think that the main theme that

547
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,840
that's uh

548
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:19,280
that me and joe are also talking about

549
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:20,720
in your book is that some of these stuff

550
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:20,960
as

551
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:24,480
it's apparent that some of this stuff

552
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:25,200
could be

553
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,440
so i'm thinking like yeah okay so if

554
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:33,679
even if it is from the future it's still

555
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:36,400
man-made right right and yeah i would

556
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:37,600
like who would be more

557
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:41,200
intere in uh interested in human

558
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,400
history than ourselves you know i i just

559
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:46,080
keep going back to that idea and like

560
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,960
this seems

561
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:49,200
this particular incident seems like a

562
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,640
very historic

563
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:52,720
like hey you guys want to go check out

564
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,400
the roosevelt it's like a like a kids

565
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,400
field trip in the future you know

566
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,640
yeah yeah that's that's an interesting

567
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,080
point for sure

568
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:02,240
that's right uh jay allen heineck made

569
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:03,600
an interesting statement that i think

570
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,400
applies here

571
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,039
um he was asked you know what is the

572
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:08,960
bottom line what do you think and

573
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,080
he came back and said well if ufos were

574
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:14,160
nothing more than extraterrestrial

575
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,880
spacecraft

576
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,960
how boring that would be because this

577
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:18,480
phenomenon is so much

578
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,280
more involved and multi-layered and

579
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,280
tiered than we realize

580
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:25,600
it's it's a multi-headed hydra because

581
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,400
you've got

582
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:28,480
a number of different prongs going off

583
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,559
here you've got the man-made craft

584
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:31,760
you've got the

585
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,919
inter-dimensional craft you've got

586
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,440
quantum entanglement

587
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,840
you've got the usos and they're all

588
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,919
blending in together and that makes up

589
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:44,000
the fabric of what we're looking at here

590
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:47,039
yes yeah that's that's the anomaly right

591
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:47,440
like

592
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:50,559
it makes it even more intricate

593
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:53,600
that it's it can't just be one example

594
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:57,039
or one uh one answer to it all that yep

595
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,720
and we've got the spiritual component

596
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,760
you know i don't know if we want to go

597
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,280
down that road but well yeah we have a

598
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,440
spiritual component to this as well

599
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,480
and we've got the component of a free

600
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:09,039
a pre-existing high-tech civilization

601
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,320
that could be on this planet for

602
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,760
thousands of years

603
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,200
they could have been here for a long and

604
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:14,880
they might be using this craft as well

605
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,280
so

606
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,720
now we're looking at seven different

607
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,039
configurations right right yeah

608
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:21,039
oh there's so much to it i don't know i

609
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:22,880
just this specific one

610
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,480
really shot out to me as a a tourism

611
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,120
vessel just because of the large windows

612
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,480
and they're like waving like

613
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:33,360
i just see like a teenager like hey

614
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,240
everyone on that

615
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,159
ship is like hey don't interact with

616
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,080
whoever you see just stand there

617
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,000
act like you know and there's some

618
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,080
teenager like

619
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,760
waving not listening to the teacher yes

620
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:48,080
yeah that's right yeah i love this and

621
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,200
this was uh

622
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:52,159
they have a uh a newsletter called the

623
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,640
broad

624
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:54,960
top bulletin so it was published back in

625
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:58,400
december first 1999 and also december 26

626
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,440
2000.

627
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,039
it was the gentleman was interviewed

628
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,720
twice he described the entire case so

629
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,400
those are the main references for that

630
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,280
case

631
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,600
so cool wow so when you're reading

632
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,960
through these cases you're

633
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,280
you're looking at not only description

634
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,480
like

635
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,679
drawings but right notes uh the size of

636
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,360
the windows as you mentioned

637
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,760
um what whatever information i can pull

638
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,600
out i'll include it for sure

639
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,240
yeah yeah man i love it i love it okay

640
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,000
cool i just i didn't mean to stop you up

641
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,200
i know we're on a little

642
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:30,000
pace there i just yeah that's okay

643
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,880
that's okay

644
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,559
uh okay we'll move on to the next one

645
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,480
now this one has always been known as

646
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:36,480
the father gill case

647
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,240
and this is uh june 27 1959

648
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,440
papua new guinea very famous case this

649
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:45,360
is another one of these multi-witness

650
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,280
cases so it's around 6 00 pm

651
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,520
father gill is kind of in his mission

652
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,960
there and then

653
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,600
one of his assistants comes in running

654
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,440
and says you've got to come out and see

655
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,880
what we're looking at immediately

656
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,120
what they eventually see now there were

657
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,120
two of these craft one was a lot closer

658
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:04,480
so that's the one we're going to focus

659
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,120
in

660
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,400
what he saw was a 35 foot

661
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,559
diameter disc shaped craft that looked

662
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,799
like a two-tiered wedding cake

663
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,480
so the bottom tier is 30 feet in

664
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,440
diameter the upper tier is about 20 feet

665
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:19,520
in diameter and he saw what looked like

666
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,400
four human beings they look like men

667
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,919
that were standing on the deck of this

668
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,200
craft on top

669
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,559
it also had these tapering cones that

670
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:30,240
might be landing gear legs we don't know

671
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,120
for sure but

672
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,440
they might be so the four men on top

673
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:35,120
there were two that were closer toward

674
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,480
the center so they were somewhat

675
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,520
obscured

676
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,280
but they look like they were setting up

677
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,400
some type of equipment

678
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:45,039
yep and the other two guys were a little

679
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,440
bit

680
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:48,480
further forward and so what

681
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,159
uh father gill did is

682
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,960
he actually waved his hand over his head

683
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,360
and

684
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,400
these beings they waved back this is

685
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,400
known as the wave back case they

686
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,320
actually waved back so

687
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:05,360
it's a ce3 it's a ce3 case right there

688
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,679
now

689
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,400
what's interesting is there were 24

690
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,240
natives

691
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,960
right near his vicinity they saw it as

692
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:13,760
well

693
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,880
so we've got 25 eyewitnesses that saw

694
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:17,280
this

695
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,320
they try to make it out as a planet

696
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,159
no the planets were not in the same

697
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,080
orientation

698
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,520
on that night you know they always try

699
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,919
to poo poo these cases and try to debunk

700
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,039
it now

701
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,960
now here's what made it real for me

702
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:34,640
though

703
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,120
in 1974 father gill traveled to evanston

704
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,240
and met with jaylen heineck and they had

705
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:43,919
a dinner engagement

706
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,000
and uh mr paul mr heineck's son paul

707
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:50,480
was there when this dinner engagement

708
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,279
took place

709
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,760
oh wow and when i spoke to paul i

710
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,279
brought up this case and i you know went

711
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,720
over the illustration he said you know

712
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,080
mike i was there

713
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,960
when father gil came over in the 70s and

714
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,240
had dinner with us

715
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,600
he laid out the entire case blow by bow

716
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,120
you know he just laid out the whole

717
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,880
thing and he said

718
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,840
after hearing him it's it's done it's a

719
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,279
real case

720
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,919
he was not seeking fame or fortune he

721
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,679
was just laying out the entire case and

722
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,440
when i heard that from paul it just made

723
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,720
it that much more real

724
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,679
man yeah that's incredible man like it i

725
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,279
mean all these guys are waving back

726
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,799
you know it's like they seem kind of

727
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,400
friendly

728
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,960
and then not only that but i mean you're

729
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,080
you're out there

730
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:35,279
uh new guinea it's like if you wanted to

731
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,320
do something

732
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,080
why wouldn't you just do it out over the

733
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,600
ocean where nobody could see you

734
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,279
you know right it's kind of strange that

735
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,880
it would happen right over

736
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,960
you know this this little area with all

737
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,240
all of these people

738
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,880
um yep this went on for two months this

739
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,760
was the

740
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,679
ending point of the sighting but this

741
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,520
went on for two months so

742
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,919
to say it was a planet that came up

743
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:57,440
close within like 500

744
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,159
feet now yeah definitely like multiple

745
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,000
times

746
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,520
i could i could see like maybe there was

747
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,039
a ritual going on and everybody was

748
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,720
taking ayahuasca and everybody kind of

749
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,559
had like this spiritual experience but

750
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:10,559
if it happened multiple multiple times

751
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:10,880
and

752
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:13,679
you could like everybody can cooperate

753
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:14,000
the

754
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,240
describe

755
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,960
like what like maybe what they thought

756
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,760
they were doing

757
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,520
i mean with this beam i mean they were

758
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:29,360
setting up some sort of equipment up

759
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,840
there

760
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,640
i mean i don't you know i don't know no

761
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,840
it only says that

762
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,080
it appears like they were setting up

763
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,080
some type of equipment and that might be

764
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,600
associated with this

765
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,440
light blue colored beam that came off at

766
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,960
a 45 degree angle

767
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,480
it might be associated with that we

768
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,480
don't know for sure but at the very

769
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,480
least it looks like the other two guys

770
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,880
near the center seem to be setting up

771
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,520
something

772
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,720
you know yeah yeah wow that's

773
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,799
awesome that's awesome i love how it

774
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,559
just yeah hits home for you because

775
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:01,039
i mean you talked to to paul and he was

776
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,600
there

777
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,400
when when they're hired i know it's so

778
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,000
cool i couldn't i couldn't imagine just

779
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,679
sitting at their kitchen table you know

780
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,880
like growing up like how cool is that

781
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,520
you know it's just it's never real until

782
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,880
it happens to you

783
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,679
you know i wasn't there but you know

784
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:18,880
paul was there when

785
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,480
he was over with uh father gill

786
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,559
and the guy was just laying it out

787
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,520
honestly

788
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,520
there wasn't any fame or fortune he was

789
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,600
very calm he said this is what happened

790
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,840
this is the sequence of events and when

791
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,360
you hear that from

792
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,840
a person of his caliber uh he had

793
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,000
corrective lenses they were fine so

794
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,159
it's a it's a done deal it's there are

795
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:42,000
so much paperwork associated with that

796
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,279
case

797
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:45,440
you know it's one of those iron-clad

798
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,320
cases really

799
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,039
yeah again back to the the the sentiment

800
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,480
of oh well there's no proof

801
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,640
well yeah there is dude look at the look

802
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,080
at the documents how do we

803
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,679
how do we know anything's true right you

804
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,600
look at the documents well

805
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:00,000
why is it any different in this case

806
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,520
yeah plus they had the other

807
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,520
eyewitnesses separately

808
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,600
draw what they saw and that was all in

809
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,200
correlation too so we've got their

810
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,320
sketches as well

811
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:10,640
wow that's really cool oh wait do you

812
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,440
mean like the

813
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,720
the uh in digi well the local people

814
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,480
yes they had dropped your sketches too

815
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,320
yes that's so cool

816
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,159
yep i mean you know if you think about

817
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:21,840
it for for thousands of years i mean

818
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:22,159
these

819
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:25,919
of stuff in the sky

820
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,720
you know all the time you know whether

821
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:30,799
it be cave paintings or whether it be on

822
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,120
these

823
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,640
you know little you know paper tablets

824
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,559
or whatever they used back then you know

825
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,440
charcoal and yeah yeah exactly you know

826
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,720
they've been trying to tell us these

827
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,360
stories for

828
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,720
for hundreds of years man

829
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:47,120
yeah this is great that's great man i

830
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,000
love that

831
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,080
let's move on to the next one okay so

832
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,520
next one i want to move on to

833
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:54,320
is my favorite project blue book case

834
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:55,360
awesome

835
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,880
and this this is the uh

836
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:01,360
basically personally it's my favorite

837
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,039
blue book case now

838
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:06,720
it is uh march 23rd 1966

839
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:09,919
along the texas oklahoma border

840
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,880
and it's 505 in the morning primary

841
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,679
eyewitness

842
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,600
is eddie lex and now he was an

843
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,600
electronic technician

844
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,520
instructor at the time at shepherd air

845
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:21,200
force base when this is all going down

846
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,760
so

847
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,440
you can see the sight picture here he's

848
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,360
going to work in the morning

849
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:28,159
it's 505 a.m so the sun is just barely

850
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,960
popping up

851
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,880
so it's still kind of dark yet just

852
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,159
driving down the road he's got his

853
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,000
headlights on and all of a sudden

854
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,399
in right in front of his vehicle

855
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,240
blocking the road

856
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,279
is what looks like a fish on pogo

857
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,399
landing gear legs

858
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,320
this is like the best way to describe it

859
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,799
yeah it looks like a bowling pin

860
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,520
with the base of the bowling pin kind of

861
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,960
like pointing toward the

862
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,880
front of the road and then it tapers

863
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,480
back to the back of the bowling pin

864
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:55,840
that's the best way to describe this

865
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,159
thing

866
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,960
yeah right now we we have his original

867
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,399
sketch

868
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,799
which is a part of this report and that

869
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,880
goes to credit david marlar

870
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,640
he's the one who gave me the full 15

871
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,120
page report he has the original sketch

872
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,440
the the entire blue book report is there

873
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:12,799
that it's described in

874
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,919
excruciating detail so what he says is

875
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,559
that

876
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,039
this thing was about 75 feet in length

877
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,360
it was about eight feet tall

878
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,520
and on the very front of this craft it

879
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,480
kind of had

880
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,720
a bubble canopy a bubble transparent

881
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,080
canopy that he said

882
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,000
that looked like it came from a b-26

883
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,080
world war ii bomber

884
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,399
as we mentioned below there were four

885
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,000
pogo landing gear legs that were

886
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:37,840
supporting this craft about two to three

887
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,159
feet

888
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,360
off the surface of the asphalt road

889
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,919
going a little bit back toward the front

890
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,120
there were these

891
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,880
spotlights that were pointing forward

892
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,960
that were illuminating the entire area

893
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,399
the whole craft

894
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,039
appeared to be illuminated from inside

895
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,520
now as we move further back

896
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,720
there was a porthole or a cut out

897
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,360
air stair that was opened up and he said

898
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:02,399
that

899
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:05,679
there was a military man

900
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,120
who was wearing two-piece green fatigues

901
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,440
military fatigues he was shining a

902
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,720
flashlight

903
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:15,600
down near the lower portion of the craft

904
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:16,320
so he's

905
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,600
in this whole story as well and he could

906
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,520
see that they were air stair doors like

907
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,559
on a learjet

908
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,200
yeah when you have that door that opens

909
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,039
up that's what this looked like now

910
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:30,000
on the top of this craft tapering back

911
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,559
was a

912
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:33,760
spire or spine that terminated

913
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,880
in about a 18-inch ball at the end of

914
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,840
this thing

915
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,840
and that looked like the electrical

916
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,760
trolley cars in san francisco where you

917
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,559
have that

918
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,880
prong that sticks up that oh yes contact

919
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,640
that's what this thing looked like

920
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,080
that's exactly what this thing looked

921
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:50,799
like now going further back

922
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:53,919
from the cut out uh entryway door

923
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,120
there was about a 3.5 diameter

924
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,200
porthole window that was illuminated

925
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,559
from inside that was

926
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:03,360
divided into four equal pie segments he

927
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:04,080
also described

928
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:07,760
that as well now just after that window

929
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:10,880
there was the letters written in black

930
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,519
ink or black lettering tl4768 was

931
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:17,039
written on the side of the craft

932
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:24,149
cl4768 was written on the side of the

933
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,960
craft on the

934
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,559
on the starboard side that's the right

935
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,799
hand side now as we get to the very

936
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,799
extreme of the craft

937
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,279
there was what looked like very tiny

938
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,399
flight controls

939
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,440
way too small to be of any value or of

940
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,960
any significance i mean just

941
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,760
way too small now the interesting thing

942
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,279
on this case is

943
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,159
when you look at his original sketch and

944
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,240
you look at his dimensions

945
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:50,720
he said it was 75 feet long and 8 feet

946
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,360
tall

947
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:54,640
well his 75 foot dimension is almost

948
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,519
as long as his 8-foot dimension that

949
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,960
can't be possible

950
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,559
that 75 dimension is way out of scale

951
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,440
yeah the door would be huge yeah the

952
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:07,039
length of this thing is a whole lot

953
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,919
longer than he

954
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,080
shows it in his drawings but so i spent

955
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,519
an entire day

956
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,519
correcting all those errors and that's

957
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,120
what you see in this book

958
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,960
that is essentially the corrected

959
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,799
configuration based on his own

960
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,760
dimensions

961
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,039
that's what this thing should actually

962
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:23,279
look like now here's where we get back

963
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,399
to the story

964
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,440
when the gentleman who was wearing these

965
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,760
green fatigues he also said that he was

966
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:31,679
wearing a baseball cap

967
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,720
with the bill turned up

968
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:37,039
again with the specifics man like it's

969
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,240
so intricate

970
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,559
that's right and eddie lackson said that

971
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,440
he was so

972
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,679
close to this man who is shining this

973
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,600
flashlight on the bottom of the craft

974
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:48,720
he said that later in the uh

975
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,240
later in the afternoon if he saw him

976
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,880
in oklahoma downtown he'd recognize him

977
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,360
that's how close he was

978
00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:00,399
now when this military guy saw that he

979
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:01,120
was being

980
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,360
looked at by eddie laxon he immediately

981
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559
ran up these stairs he closed this door

982
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,559
and there was a there was a noticeable

983
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,480
thump when this thing closed

984
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,519
the next thing that happened is

985
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,840
there was this high-pitched drilling

986
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,279
noise

987
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:22,880
and then this thing rose off the ground

988
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,080
hovered horizontally for about 10

989
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,159
seconds and then departed like a spark

990
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,559
off a grinding wheel about 720 miles an

991
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,080
hour made no sonic boom

992
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,279
whoa 1966

993
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:38,320
a drilling noise that's interesting this

994
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,559
is

995
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,000
you know when you start looking at these

996
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,840
cases that we'll go through here

997
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,480
you you start seeing these pattern

998
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,760
recognitions pop

999
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,640
up again and again and again and this is

1000
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,840
one of them gentlemen

1001
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,159
this is one of them a high-pitched

1002
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,360
drilling noise

1003
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,519
before these things take off for some

1004
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,679
reason it's like they're spooling up

1005
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:59,120
something or they're engaging a

1006
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,399
propulsion system or

1007
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,880
something yeah we keep hearing this

1008
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,399
high-pitched drilling noise

1009
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,000
and then these things take off like a

1010
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,679
spark on a grinding wheel

1011
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:10,960
that's so cool so you know this this uh

1012
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,079
image right here it reminds me of

1013
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,280
you know uh you know daffy duck on

1014
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,200
on the looney tunes when he would dress

1015
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,879
up as duck rogers

1016
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,679
it looks like his his ship like in the

1017
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,760
in the cartoons

1018
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,000
it's almost like identical i mean his

1019
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:29,760
was like red and white i think but this

1020
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,480
is

1021
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,079
it's so crazy because they're almost

1022
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:33,679
identical and it kind of made me think

1023
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,159
like

1024
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,399
huh i wonder if whoever made this craft

1025
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,560
was a fan of of looney tunes or if

1026
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,480
looney tunes knew about this case and

1027
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:42,000
modeled it after this craft because i

1028
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:42,800
mean

1029
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,879
crazy you never know and what's

1030
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:47,760
interesting is

1031
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,200
this is a multi-witness case because

1032
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,240
truck drivers prior to and

1033
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,960
after this incident they saw it too so

1034
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,400
we've got the truck drivers on

1035
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,440
on file as well wow that's so cool

1036
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,839
so this antenna on the top you were

1037
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,040
making the reference to

1038
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,119
you know like a trolley car where it's

1039
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:08,880
using the electricity to

1040
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,760
to move down the rails um you know i

1041
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,520
mean

1042
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,760
what's the what are the odds of maybe

1043
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,359
this thing actually

1044
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,920
maybe conducting energy out of the

1045
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:20,800
atmosphere

1046
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,560
and and using that as a way to charge i

1047
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,760
guess

1048
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,599
or or it could be that could be true it

1049
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,160
could be a a spark gap discharge

1050
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,800
mechanism because i've got like 12 other

1051
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,680
cases

1052
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,079
of these spires coming out you know that

1053
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:37,839
you know that deep sea fish that has

1054
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:38,400
that

1055
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,079
looks like yeah

1056
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,359
it does

1057
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,520
yep i've seen this in like 12 separate

1058
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,640
cases but

1059
00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:51,280
we have to consider the date here march

1060
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:52,119
23rd

1061
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:55,359
1966 this is before apollo 11.

1062
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,119
on july 20th 1969 who's flying around

1063
00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:02,000
here in america with something that has

1064
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,839
tl

1065
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:06,000
4768 three years before neil armstrong

1066
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,880
we're laying it on the moon

1067
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,680
there's something going on it's like

1068
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,280
obviously better than

1069
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,480
anything we have in this guy it's such a

1070
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,800
i see why it's your favorite uh your

1071
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:18,720
favorite story because it's

1072
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,800
it sounds it sounds so like

1073
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,560
something out of a mechanical it sounds

1074
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,000
so mechanical yeah

1075
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:28,000
it does it sounds like well that that

1076
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,040
doesn't look like

1077
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:31,760
i would imagine an alien craft to look

1078
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,160
like

1079
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,920
exactly which i think is your point

1080
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:35,280
right like that's that's the point

1081
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,000
that's the point

1082
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,040
and here's the other point the eddie

1083
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,280
lackson was close enough to get a good

1084
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,359
look at what this guy was wearing it was

1085
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,320
it was a two-piece green fatigue but up

1086
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,079
on his shoulder

1087
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,960
they had these chevrons like you see on

1088
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,000
a general

1089
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:55,200
or these emblems these chevrons were

1090
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:55,680
written

1091
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,640
on his uh shoulder on either side he

1092
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,599
could see that

1093
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:02,640
so it was like a military uh

1094
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,920
what what level he was at yeah what

1095
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,160
rank he was at those chevrons were on

1096
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,920
his shoulder what he was wearing

1097
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,400
wow yeah that's such a uh well i don't

1098
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,960
know maybe maybe other maybe alien uh

1099
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,119
similar human aliens will have some kind

1100
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,040
of maybe there's an alternate dimension

1101
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,880
where they have the same exact uh

1102
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,960
hierarchy in military and it's just oh

1103
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,560
well the chef runs kind of

1104
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,800
that's just a universal language right

1105
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,160
and i also find it

1106
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:30,960
uh interesting that the the marking the

1107
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,520
numbers

1108
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,599
because i mean you see that on aircraft

1109
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,560
today right

1110
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,560
every aircraft is marked with a number

1111
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:37,920
and that's you know

1112
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,680
very similar exactly exactly so

1113
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,520
somebody's building something right

1114
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,800
absolutely

1115
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,079
i feel like we're building up to

1116
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,320
something michael yeah yeah

1117
00:37:52,589 --> 00:37:50,079
here's what i think though okay now

1118
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,599
let's just say we had the technology in

1119
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,800
1966 to do this right

1120
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,119
right that means they already were

1121
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,119
working on prototypes

1122
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,839
like 1955 time frame and that's borne

1123
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,520
out by the newspaper clipping so that

1124
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,560
checks out so

1125
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,800
they already had this back in in the mid

1126
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,400
1950s so they've already made a

1127
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,599
breakthrough

1128
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,119
and this might have been an early

1129
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,960
prototype a little bit

1130
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,359
you know a little 11 years later now but

1131
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,520
what's weird though is this is before

1132
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,000
apollo

1133
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,880
11. so did they really need liquid

1134
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,880
rockets to get to the moon

1135
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,760
back in 1969 so that that takes the

1136
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,960
whole

1137
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,280
liquid rocket solid rocket and shoots

1138
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,640
that out the door that's all

1139
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,640
dinosaur technology right you can all

1140
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,320
write that whole thing off

1141
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,760
the entire space program right

1142
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,680
okay so that makes it makes everything

1143
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,079
look uh seems so clumsy

1144
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,480
yeah that's right i mean are we being

1145
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,440
played here

1146
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:47,839
are we being had i think it has

1147
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,480
something

1148
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,240
i think there's a deeper meaning i mean

1149
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,920
we could go all night about that but

1150
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,920
like yeah i think it i

1151
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,920
it might come down to the economy right

1152
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,440
the petro dollar right

1153
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,440
that's why there's the secret i don't

1154
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,800
know maybe i'm getting too deep too too

1155
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,599
soon

1156
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,599
i don't know so it's all connected it's

1157
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,960
all connected now

1158
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,920
january 28th 1986. do you gentlemen know

1159
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:09,760
what happened on that day

1160
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,040
january 28 1986 well it's not it's not

1161
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,280
my birthday

1162
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,320
no i don't know okay that was the day

1163
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,760
that challenger exploded

1164
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,800
oh yes okay yeah yeah

1165
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,280
so so you've got the external tank

1166
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,440
you've got liquid hydrogen liquid oxygen

1167
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,040
and then you've got the two solid rocket

1168
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,119
boosters on either side of the orbiter

1169
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,440
those are solid rockets

1170
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:35,680
you know and we've got we lost seven

1171
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,560
astronauts

1172
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,800
and here's the tragedy that's not talked

1173
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,960
about this very much

1174
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,920
is we we know for a fact gentlemen that

1175
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,240
when the external tank blew up

1176
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,960
because of the o-ring allegedly the

1177
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,480
external tank blew up and it

1178
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:52,640
disintegrated the orbiter and then when

1179
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:53,040
the

1180
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,320
we know because approximately three

1181
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,079
weeks later when they found the crew

1182
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:03,839
compartment at the bottom of the ocean

1183
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,280
when it was recovered at the very least

1184
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,560
two oxygen tanks on their on their

1185
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,240
backpacks were turned on

1186
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:15,040
and they can be only turned on manually

1187
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:15,359
that

1188
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:19,119
all crew members

1189
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,960
were alive after the explosion oh my god

1190
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,480
they've made it through the and this is

1191
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,880
confirmed it's 100 solid it's confirmed

1192
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,400
they made it through the cloud

1193
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,160
and you know keep in mind they're going

1194
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,560
at you know like mach 1.2 here 72

1195
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,760
seconds after launch

1196
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:36,880
they're approaching max q and so they're

1197
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,520
they're still

1198
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,599
going up after the explosion because all

1199
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,640
the momentum

1200
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,040
so they're riding this parabolic arc

1201
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,119
they're completely conscious of the

1202
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,480
whole thing

1203
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,480
wow they're riding they're riding the

1204
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,599
top of this

1205
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:52,000
arc all the way up now the power went

1206
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,119
out we know that

1207
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,440
because the the wiring harnesses were

1208
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,280
flailing in the wind at the f

1209
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,280
bulkhead of the crew compartment so the

1210
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,640
the wiring harnesses

1211
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,200
actually helped to stabilize this thing

1212
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,880
in flight as they're going on the top of

1213
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,319
this parabolic arc

1214
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,440
so the uh the powers out probably the

1215
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,880
cockpit is out

1216
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,280
but they had to turn on their internal

1217
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:16,079
uh oxygen tanks for oxygen so we we know

1218
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,040
that

1219
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,440
now here here's the thing they reach the

1220
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,960
top of the ark

1221
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,760
now they're in zero g and now they're

1222
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:25,440
looking through the cockpit window of

1223
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,319
the challenger

1224
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,200
as the ocean is rushing up against them

1225
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,960
they're aware of this whole thing going

1226
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:31,520
on

1227
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,200
and it all could be avoided it all could

1228
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,640
be avoided because we saw

1229
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,520
else had another space program someone

1230
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,200
else had another space program

1231
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,920
and we murdered seven astronauts i

1232
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,319
cannot believe that i did not know

1233
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,640
essentially now they they hit going

1234
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:52,960
about 170 miles an hour it was

1235
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,560
equivalent to about 180 g's

1236
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,160
right there they did not die at the

1237
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,000
explosion they died on impact

1238
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,880
oh my gosh and they were aware and

1239
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,880
conscious of the whole thing they wrote

1240
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,720
it all the way down to the ocean

1241
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,520
damn bro you should uh you should do a

1242
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:10,880
live reading of that

1243
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:14,079
just that uh at the uh your nearest

1244
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,040
coffee shop

1245
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,640
asap like yeah i still have chills

1246
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,800
that's such a such a descriptive thing

1247
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,920
like

1248
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,359
first off that's the first i've heard of

1249
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,960
that um also

1250
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,200
like yeah it's such a historic thing

1251
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,720
i've always you know you've

1252
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,359
i grew up seeing those clips of you know

1253
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,119
when i got interested in space as a

1254
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,560
young lad

1255
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,880
you know seeing seeing the uh that was a

1256
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,400
big deal you know that was

1257
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,440
very big deal very big deal because if

1258
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,800
if we know what we know

1259
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,119
according to this case and if eddie

1260
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,800
lackson is telling the truth and if the

1261
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,040
truck drivers are telling the truth

1262
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,599
then then we we are being had we are

1263
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,720
being played

1264
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,839
don't want to go too deep but

1265
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,839
we are being played and we didn't need

1266
00:43:03,190 --> 00:42:59,520
those astronauts to die

1267
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,200
yeah i mean i spoke to christa mccallo's

1268
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:06,400
mother i spoke to her and i'm like this

1269
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:06,800
could

1270
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,400
already had the technology

1271
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:13,359
this is all this is all window dressing

1272
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,240
what you see is

1273
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,560
window dressing liquid rockets window

1274
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,079
dressing

1275
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,440
it's such a interesting perspective

1276
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,599
i think that a lot of our listeners will

1277
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,800
respect is

1278
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,200
is yeah we me and joe could you know

1279
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,200
speculate all day like dude there's

1280
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,760
probably totally a space program like

1281
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,400
why not

1282
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,319
i mean that's my thought process i don't

1283
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,000
know but when you get down to the

1284
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,200
granular

1285
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:40,319
a specific scenario and you really break

1286
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,119
it down

1287
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,800
based off of these two events it really

1288
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,960
becomes kind of like a real like whoa

1289
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,480
moment

1290
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,440
it becomes kind of a tragedy yeah

1291
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,640
especially knowing that

1292
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,680
20 years prior literally there is

1293
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,000
some air force guy working on it on a

1294
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,920
duck rogers spaceship he lost

1295
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,760
his contact was looking around on the

1296
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,280
ground you know like

1297
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:04,560
that's insane that's incredible yep

1298
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,240
wow wow it's it's the implications

1299
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:10,720
of what this means i mean if if it's

1300
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,280
true

1301
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,119
implications

1302
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,599
are earth shattering yeah absolutely i

1303
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,359
mean we even look at like

1304
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,599
modern day's space flight you know and

1305
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,760
it's like the new cool thing is that

1306
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,440
elon musk can land a

1307
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,640
you know a rocket booster back you know

1308
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,640
on earth on a on a platform in the

1309
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,680
middle of the ocean

1310
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:34,480
and it's like that is still that is

1311
00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:35,040
still

1312
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,400
ancient compared to what happened in

1313
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,359
1966

1314
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,200
i mean i'm not taking anything away from

1315
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,960
spacex or elon musk because i think he's

1316
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,800
done a good job oh absolutely he's still

1317
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,000
using liquid rockets

1318
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,240
i know the nazis were using liquid

1319
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,720
rockets in 1943 and you're telling me

1320
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:52,960
now we're still using liquid rockets now

1321
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,760
something going on here uh huh i agree

1322
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:56,560
completely

1323
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,960
just common aircraft i mean

1324
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,640
what are you going like five seven

1325
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,079
hundred miles an hour i think

1326
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,760
like i'm not sure what the conventional

1327
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,359
aircraft speed is

1328
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,040
for you know like like southwest

1329
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,359
airlines or whatever but i mean

1330
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,280
it's like can we not could we not

1331
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,720
upgrade this a little bit

1332
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,119
you know yeah yeah sure like if you want

1333
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:18,560
to fly from

1334
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,280
lax to london okay it's it's about

1335
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:26,800
13-hour flight and you're on a 747 and

1336
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,359
you're going

1337
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,359
500 miles an hour do you gentlemen know

1338
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:30,640
that this the

1339
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,920
the 747 it entered operational service

1340
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,119
in 1969 that's 51 years ago

1341
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,520
we're not flying any faster now than we

1342
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,359
were in 1969

1343
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,440
51 years later we're not flying any

1344
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,200
faster now than we were

1345
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,880
what's wrong with that picture that's

1346
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,560
yeah that's insane i mean

1347
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,880
and it's like you have you have aircraft

1348
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,280
that that can go faster than that i mean

1349
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:56,800
like it's it it i don't know like is it

1350
00:46:17,190 --> 00:45:57,440
a

1351
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,200
we're not going to see it right we're

1352
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:18,880
not going to see it right right

1353
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,480
still flying the same speed as 1969

1354
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:24,640
that's a good point it's insane

1355
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,920
yeah so i mean yeah still on this this

1356
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,680
uh story i'm just thinking like

1357
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,720
yeah that trolley the the spire at the

1358
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,440
top

1359
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:36,640
uh i i don't want to give away you know

1360
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,200
because i

1361
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,119
i have seen you know me and joe both

1362
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,560
have seen your uh

1363
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,640
uh presentation and i don't know how

1364
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:43,920
much you want to give away

1365
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,960
on this podcast but i just love the at

1366
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,480
the ending i'm just like i'm thinking

1367
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,760
about it at the same time and i don't

1368
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,520
want to like talk about it but

1369
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,760
like but your final conclusion uh well

1370
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,720
there's a few

1371
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,760
but i just i would say like maybe people

1372
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,960
pay attention to uh the the man-made

1373
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,400
things that you're speaking of

1374
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,800
i think that's that's what the little

1375
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:06,800
puzzle pieces there's little drops here

1376
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,200
and there

1377
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,520
connect the dots right um i don't know

1378
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,440
how cryptic you want to be

1379
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:14,000
well i mean i'm just going to cover i'm

1380
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,640
leaving all

1381
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:17,200
options on the table yeah but we don't

1382
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,160
want to jump on

1383
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,280
any bandwagon unless we've really

1384
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,920
looked at it but just going by the

1385
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,760
eyewitness reports you know

1386
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,839
stay with the reports what is he

1387
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,920
reporting what is eddie lexing reporting

1388
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,480
well

1389
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,000
he talked about a high-pitched drilling

1390
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,240
noise and when i got the uh

1391
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,960
when i got the report from david marlar

1392
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:38,240
who's got a really good collection of

1393
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,200
material

1394
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,240
they even have this handwritten like

1395
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,319
high-pitched drilling noise hand written

1396
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,520
in number two pencil

1397
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,240
on the report even they know wow they

1398
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,640
conclude that it was a high picture so

1399
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,359
something yeah yeah we're we're missing

1400
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,680
something we're not being told something

1401
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,920
and uh i just think it's a tragedy that

1402
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,680
we lost seven astronauts when it could

1403
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:00,960
all been avoided

1404
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:04,240
yeah i agree god i agree now that i know

1405
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,280
that yeah that's

1406
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,839
incredibly sad what did neil armstrong

1407
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,280
know was he told

1408
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,920
was he briefed yeah you want to risk

1409
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,520
your life on a liquid rocket

1410
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,280
seven million seven hundred thousand

1411
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,200
pounds on a saturn five booster

1412
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,720
you're gonna you're gonna sit on top of

1413
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,640
that thing when we got something else

1414
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:24,240
all right oh man like you you sometimes

1415
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,200
you look at the the

1416
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,920
old videos of lance armstrong and how

1417
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,440
like calm cool collected the

1418
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,760
he is you wonder like maybe somebody

1419
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,760
slipped him some knowledge before he was

1420
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,000
like maybe he was told hey you know what

1421
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,480
like we've got some really dope uh

1422
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,520
technology uh it could be easier but

1423
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,200
you'll get more famous this way and he's

1424
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,760
like well i mean

1425
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,160
i don't know i respect neil armstrong

1426
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
it's too bad he's passed but i always

1427
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,680
wanted to meet him i respect him he's an

1428
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,559
honest guy

1429
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:55,200
and you'll notice he's a very private

1430
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,079
individual

1431
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,160
yeah he doesn't give interviews he's

1432
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,400
very calm he's quiet i mean this is the

1433
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,040
guy that

1434
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,280
rode that simulator and then when it

1435
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,040
went out of control he bailed out

1436
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,480
and it was like it's just part of the

1437
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,319
job i mean he was literally a

1438
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,240
second away from dying but that's the

1439
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,599
kind of mentality of him

1440
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,920
i respect him tremendously but i always

1441
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:15,440
wanted to know

1442
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,880
was he brief did he know did he know we

1443
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,920
have these other things

1444
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,160
it's debatable whether he did or not

1445
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,240
yeah i mean maybe when he came back they

1446
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,319
were like oh by the way neil

1447
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,880
good job but also let me show you this

1448
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,160
thing we have yeah

1449
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,069
thermal tiles right we we lost another

1450
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,079
group of astronauts with thermal tiles

1451
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,839
coming off the bottom of the orbiter

1452
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,760
that all of that stuff

1453
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,680
the liquid rockets the the heat

1454
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,559
resistant thermal tiles on the shuttle

1455
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,640
what are we doing with all that where

1456
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,160
are we going with all this

1457
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,480
dynamics technology yeah i mean we're

1458
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,319
talking about the thermal tiles uh

1459
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,280
i i can't remember what case it was but

1460
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:59,680
i i recall you talking about

1461
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,480
um a group of people they had they had a

1462
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,000
craft of some sort

1463
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:06,000
and they tried to get through it with

1464
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,359
like a blow torch

1465
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,520
and it heat up to the touch but then

1466
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,640
whenever you

1467
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,880
took the torch away um there was no

1468
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,359
damage whatsoever to the craft

1469
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,200
yeah that's a crash retrieval story we

1470
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,359
can talk about too

1471
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,520
we can get in that one too but yep

1472
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,960
there's a there's a historical

1473
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:24,319
precedence for that one as well all

1474
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,440
right so i love that

1475
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:27,920
we've covered the 66 thing and you know

1476
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,640
just to drive the point home

1477
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,960
what what did our apollo astronauts know

1478
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,400
were they brief were they even

1479
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,680
told about this i don't know yeah yeah

1480
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:40,400
you just don't know oh man yeah i love

1481
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,720
that

1482
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,480
well let's go to the next i could go

1483
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,160
into a whole different topic

1484
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,079
about whether or not they saw stuff on

1485
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,520
the moon but maybe that's for

1486
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,800
uh maybe that's for next time you come

1487
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,950
what what we're gonna do in this you

1488
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,400
know go around and maybe we'll do

1489
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,760
another one but we will cover the

1490
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,200
historical cases

1491
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,319
in this interview awesome uh debatable

1492
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:02,000
how far we can go on the other subject

1493
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,559
matter

1494
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,319
and we'll keep that under wraps but

1495
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,520
we're gonna definitely cover the

1496
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,680
historical cases in this interview

1497
00:51:11,470 --> 00:51:09,440
all right so next one i want to cover is

1498
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,480
the february 3rd

1499
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:14,240
1983 case this is further down in the

1500
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,440
book

1501
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,559
and this was reported

1502
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,960
in the apro bulletin so that's the

1503
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,800
reference here volume 32

1504
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,880
number two 1984. that's the reference

1505
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,079
for this

1506
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:29,280
and the general uh primary eyewitness

1507
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,000
was pat

1508
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,480
norris now she was driving back from a

1509
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,160
dinner engagement

1510
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:37,200
going back to her home in mobile alabama

1511
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:40,880
she's driving down on highway 90.

1512
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,000
and she hears this booming noise

1513
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:47,040
this loud boom the car actually starts

1514
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,079
shaking

1515
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,319
so she pulls off to the side of the road

1516
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,400
she kind of like slams on the brakes

1517
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,880
she gets out of the car she looks under

1518
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,760
her vehicle

1519
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,280
thinking that something might have

1520
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,640
happened with the transmission that

1521
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,920
seemed to be okay

1522
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,520
so she gets back in the car drives

1523
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,280
another half mile forward

1524
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,960
and they're on the right hand side

1525
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,640
there's this opening

1526
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,480
this kind of a wooded opening area

1527
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,720
that's completely illuminated so she's

1528
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,520
thinking

1529
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:13,040
what could this be why is this whole

1530
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,559
area lit up

1531
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,280
what she ends up seeing gentlemen is

1532
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,960
this strange

1533
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,040
it's it's almost impossible to describe

1534
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:22,640
it without looking at the

1535
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,160
illustration she sees this black

1536
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,480
270 foot long craft that tapers near the

1537
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,440
back end

1538
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:34,319
it kind of has a bulbous center that

1539
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,200
tapers back

1540
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,440
almost like a wedding cape that gets

1541
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,200
smaller as it gets to the rear

1542
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,319
now on the upper part of this ball

1543
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,040
she said it had a transparent section

1544
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:46,000
and there were these

1545
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,000
5 foot 10 white tight fitting flight

1546
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,319
humanoid beings that were kind of

1547
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,040
looking at her below but were actually

1548
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,839
oblivious to the entire scene so you got

1549
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,559
this transparent section they look human

1550
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,319
but their heads were a little bit bigger

1551
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,680
and they were hairless

1552
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,079
according to the primary eyewitness now

1553
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,000
below that section there was another

1554
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:09,680
transparent window section

1555
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,160
below that section there was a series of

1556
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,640
circular shaped window transparent

1557
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,599
cutouts

1558
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,280
and then she said that there is these

1559
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,760
boxes that were six feet by six feet

1560
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,520
that had these tubes coming out that

1561
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:25,599
looked like guns or cannons she wasn't

1562
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,240
sure

1563
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:29,200
they looked like some type of guns uh to

1564
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:29,839
her

1565
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:33,040
now below that portion she said that

1566
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,400
there was a door

1567
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,200
that was closing from right to left and

1568
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,960
on the bottom of this door there was an

1569
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,040
asphalt road that looked like something

1570
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:42,640
you would drive down and it just looked

1571
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,200
like an

1572
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,240
asphalt road and on the left side

1573
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,200
of this asphalt road there was a wall

1574
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,640
that was comprised of

1575
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:53,119
tubes pipes and cylinders on the side of

1576
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,000
this wall

1577
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,280
tubes pipes and cylinders

1578
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,000
and i've heard this go again and again

1579
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,760
and again this is another one of these

1580
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,559
pattern recognition things that turns up

1581
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,240
again and again so you've got tubes

1582
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,520
pipes and cylinders

1583
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,599
a lot of these eyewitnesses said that it

1584
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,280
when you see these things

1585
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,680
it looks like the interior of a midas

1586
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,040
muffler shop

1587
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,839
wow that's what these things look like

1588
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:18,640
so

1589
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,400
boomerang wave 1982-1989 it turned up

1590
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,720
on the belgium triangle case that's

1591
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:27,920
89.90

1592
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,319
it also turned up on the southern

1593
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,040
illinois triangle case january 5th 2000.

1594
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,480
the same tubes pipes and cylinders

1595
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,920
a lot of these eyewitnesses said that

1596
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,720
these things look like stacked legos

1597
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:42,160
okay that's what these things look like

1598
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,599
now just picture this thing is 276 feet

1599
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,400
in length it's

1600
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,359
massive yeah yeah and she says that the

1601
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,640
whole thing

1602
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:53,359
had these illuminated portholes circular

1603
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:54,160
windows

1604
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,000
around the entire craft she was like

1605
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,280
no more than 10 feet below this craft

1606
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:03,760
as it's hovering above her she said that

1607
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,400
she

1608
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,359
looked through these porthole windows

1609
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,440
all the way into the inside and

1610
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,359
outside the other side she could look

1611
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,280
all the way through and when

1612
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,839
when the reporters got to her later and

1613
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,880
this is all in the opera

1614
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:19,200
report they asked her what did it look

1615
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,079
on the inside

1616
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,000
because they were curious yeah and she

1617
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,319
said if you could picture a dry dock

1618
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,920
somewhere on the east coast where they

1619
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:28,000
make battleships that's what it looked

1620
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,400
like

1621
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,880
it had bulkheads it had stringers it had

1622
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,119
beams going through either side

1623
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,119
crisscross beams that's what this thing

1624
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,359
looked like it looked like a shipyard on

1625
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:39,040
the inside of this thing like they were

1626
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:40,400
building something

1627
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:44,480
had rivets

1628
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,760
that were equally spaced all around this

1629
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,880
craft

1630
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:51,280
just like you would see on a bridge or

1631
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,160
like

1632
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,160
any time i talk to people and i ask them

1633
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:55,119
you know they ask me what do these

1634
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,400
things look like

1635
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,400
all you got to do is go to new york city

1636
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,559
and go over the george washington bridge

1637
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,920
and you'll know exactly what these

1638
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,760
things look like on this side

1639
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,400
it's got it's got bridge rivets it's got

1640
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,960
cross beams it got it's got girders

1641
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,200
if you've ever walked across the golden

1642
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:12,640
gate bridge

1643
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:15,520
and you go to the two big pylons here

1644
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,000
the the

1645
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,119
two big towers you'll see these big fat

1646
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:21,040
rivets sticking that's what this thing

1647
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,640
looked like the biggest

1648
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,680
bolts you've ever seen

1649
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,160
yep now she also said that on the bottom

1650
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,359
of this craft

1651
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,200
there were two gondolas that were

1652
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:32,960
circular and transparent

1653
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,440
and it had the same five foot ten

1654
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:36,880
humanoid looking beans

1655
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,400
wearing the same white uh fitting

1656
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,960
flight suits so and they were like

1657
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,079
oblivious to her

1658
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,400
as this is all going down now on the top

1659
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,920
of these gondolas

1660
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,760
which represents the bottom of the craft

1661
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:51,680
itself there were

1662
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,720
multiple 24 inch by 24 inch highly

1663
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,960
polished mirror reflective

1664
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,040
mirrors on the bottom of this thing that

1665
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,880
were oriented in a cross

1666
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,680
configuration so essentially that's what

1667
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,880
this case

1668
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:07,200
was comprised of it also had red and

1669
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,400
green lights on it

1670
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:11,599
and it slowly faded away and it went out

1671
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,400
of her

1672
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:14,720
view so this is back on february 3rd

1673
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:15,760
1983

1674
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,400
1988 that is so interesting i mean you

1675
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,160
know if you think about it

1676
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,079
you know if you if you wanted to build

1677
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,000
something maybe a little crazy maybe a

1678
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,440
little secretive

1679
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,839
uh you know this thing is pretty massive

1680
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,000
uh i'm sure you could build it at a base

1681
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,359
right here on uh on on earth but uh

1682
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,119
you know why not build something up in

1683
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,880
the air if you have the capability to do

1684
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,559
it it seems like it'd be easier to hide

1685
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,760
that way i i can't

1686
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,359
i can't help but think that these people

1687
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,880
are just partying and they're they're

1688
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,000
just having the

1689
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,960
they're having the best time like it's

1690
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,200
in the 80s right they're listening to

1691
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:52,480
uh uh depeche mode and the cure

1692
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:56,160
and i was gonna say bon jovi but that's

1693
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:56,559
not

1694
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:02,240
but like that it seems to me that it

1695
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,599
seems so

1696
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:06,640
and again this is like uh you

1697
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:10,559
you're your uh projection on on on me

1698
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:10,960
from

1699
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,200
work is that it's very it seems

1700
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:17,359
pretty human i mean you mentioned rivets

1701
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:18,319
you mentioned

1702
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,640
observing i mean when i say people

1703
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,720
i i mean it's objective like or

1704
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,559
subjective it could be

1705
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:29,040
a different human on a different planet

1706
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,839
right or

1707
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,240
it could be us from the future uh it

1708
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,079
could i'm just saying people it could be

1709
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,160
an alien with a huge head or tentacles

1710
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,079
like i'm just you know people right

1711
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,480
right but i can't help but think that

1712
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,559
these people are just having fun

1713
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,720
they might be well that could be i mean

1714
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,760
that could be

1715
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,520
uh we talked about some of the different

1716
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,520
scenarios we could be looking at quantum

1717
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:50,880
entanglement

1718
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,240
yes there are cases in oaxaco mexico

1719
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:57,040
this is back in 1858 long before the

1720
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,319
wright brothers

1721
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,799
where they had these airships that

1722
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,640
looked like steel

1723
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,200
eagles that had plates and they were

1724
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,920
beaming down spotlights to oaxaco mexico

1725
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,440
back in 1858

1726
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,440
that town for some reason is a hotbed

1727
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,559
for ufo

1728
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,640
uh activity for well over a hundred

1729
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,839
years no doubt

1730
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:18,640
yeah cool what's your so have you heard

1731
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:19,359
about the

1732
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:22,799
um you probably have but like the the uh

1733
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,440
geo location of quartz crystals having

1734
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,920
something to do with hotbeds and portals

1735
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:30,640
could be yeah yep could be i'm just kind

1736
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,200
of

1737
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,720
connecting dots here but like if we're

1738
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:34,559
talking about that trolley type

1739
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,400
uh uh uh apparatus

1740
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,480
that we've we've seen in a couple of of

1741
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:42,480
craft maybe that has something to do

1742
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:42,799
with

1743
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,520
some type of antenna that's piggybacking

1744
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:47,920
on the amplification of some type of

1745
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,200
magnetic electric electricity that's

1746
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,599
amplified by the uh by the quartz

1747
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,000
crystal

1748
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,400
how many more words can i say we could

1749
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,480
even take it back to graham hancock if

1750
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,760
graham hancock's

1751
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:04,400
theory is correct which i don't know i

1752
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,680
tend to believe the guy he's

1753
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,680
very well recently he's great he talks

1754
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:10,400
about being a species of amnesia we are

1755
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,359
a species of

1756
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,599
amnesia this is not the first time we've

1757
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,200
climbed up the technological

1758
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,960
ladder of of uh evolution and uh

1759
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,960
there could have been someone here prior

1760
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,040
to us that had this technology that's

1761
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,319
still here now

1762
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:27,119
and they may be living underground

1763
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:28,640
living in the seas

1764
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,839
usos who knows right right

1765
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:33,040
so they could be employing this

1766
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,720
technology that could be a portion of

1767
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,920
what we're seeing as well

1768
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:38,400
right i have a question for you i asked

1769
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,119
joe this

1770
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:41,359
uh but but michael i wanted to ask you

1771
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,400
have you ever heard of the sargasso sea

1772
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,440
no i have not okay so i just recently uh

1773
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:49,760
learned about this but the sargasso sea

1774
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,359
is a location in the atlantic ocean

1775
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,160
uh between north america and africa it's

1776
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,839
kind of like a triangulated position

1777
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:58,960
between north america

1778
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:02,079
africa and uh europe and it's basically

1779
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,280
where the gulf

1780
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,920
uh current and the atlantic current they

1781
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:06,640
kind of

1782
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,480
make this a swirl in the middle of that

1783
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,640
geolocation spot right like kind of

1784
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,400
where not exactly where the

1785
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:17,280
the bermuda triangle is but it's a lot

1786
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,079
bigger

1787
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,160
but this uh the reason why they call it

1788
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:21,520
a c is because

1789
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,920
the uh the borders are these currents so

1790
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,119
it makes this big

1791
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:28,559
oblong shaped uh ocean which well it's a

1792
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,960
sea

1793
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,480
but it's called the sargasso scene it's

1794
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:33,280
in it's uh named after this

1795
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,440
um seaweed thank you that uh

1796
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,280
that kind of forms into these huge

1797
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,599
patties right and and a lot of this

1798
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:44,000
aquatic a lot of these aquatic creatures

1799
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,520
like including eels and

1800
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,119
and all kinds of small little critters

1801
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,799
kind of live in this

1802
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,480
specific spot but no one's ever heard of

1803
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:52,960
this place so like the ocean's so

1804
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,760
huge that we've never even heard of this

1805
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,440
it's been said that we spent more time

1806
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:59,039
on the surface of the moon than we have

1807
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,480
at the bottom of our oceans

1808
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,400
yeah yeah i believe we don't even know

1809
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,760
what's going on down there

1810
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,400
i know yeah so who's to say i mean that

1811
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,079
my point on this is who's to say there

1812
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,559
isn't some kind of land mass that

1813
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,799
look like we haven't been able to reach

1814
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,359
or legally haven't been able to reach

1815
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:17,200
and there's something out there that hey

1816
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,720
these people have been here forever and

1817
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,000
they just don't want to mess with us

1818
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,480
it's kind of a right yeah well it's like

1819
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,680
a wakanda kind of

1820
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,520
thing right it's not like google maps is

1821
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:26,960
going to tell you it's there

1822
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:30,240
you know nope

1823
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:33,680
yeah man i love that one that's great

1824
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,160
yeah that's super cool the uh yeah that

1825
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,839
ship

1826
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,520
all right so i guess we can move on to

1827
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:41,119
the next one here now the reference for

1828
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:41,520
this

1829
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:44,559
is burton daily mail march

1830
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:47,760
3rd 1995 that's where i got this from uh

1831
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,000
this

1832
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:50,240
actually took place in 1994 they don't

1833
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,440
they didn't give an exact

1834
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:53,119
date of when this was but we know it was

1835
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,559
in 1994

1836
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,640
and this is in and it's hard to

1837
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:58,160
pronounce this

1838
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,359
who toxidor england gentlemen in the

1839
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,280
morning is driving his motorbike he's

1840
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:05,039
commuting to work it's pretty early in

1841
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,240
the morning

1842
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,280
and his motorbike stalls out he's really

1843
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:10,960
not sure what's going on

1844
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,480
next thing he knows he is bathed in

1845
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:15,760
white light

1846
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,799
so he looks up above him and he sees

1847
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,160
this square

1848
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,920
with all these lights on the bottom of

1849
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:23,440
the square and

1850
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,880
in between these lights there were tubes

1851
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:28,240
pipes and cylinders

1852
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,880
in between these lights just like on the

1853
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:31,839
other forecast

1854
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,039
okay okay now

1855
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,760
this craft moves off to the side and it

1856
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,440
dawns on him

1857
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:42,319
what he was looking was it was not just

1858
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:42,799
a

1859
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,280
position

1860
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,960
and he could get he got a real good look

1861
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,319
of it we have the original

1862
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:56,160
newspaper clipping it looked just like a

1863
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,400
pyramid but it had lights on the bottom

1864
01:04:01,029 --> 01:04:00,400
and tubes pipes and cylinders at the

1865
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,039
base

1866
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,920
of the craft itself now at this point

1867
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,200
his motorcycle it's

1868
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,440
it's a done deal it's just totally dead

1869
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:09,680
so he ends up according to the report

1870
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:13,440
he ends up walking his bike three miles

1871
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:16,480
back to his house and when ufos

1872
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,000
researchers got to him two weeks later

1873
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,000
you know he described the entire case

1874
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,079
and one of these researchers

1875
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,559
went into his pocket and pulled out one

1876
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,920
of those chrome metal

1877
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,440
zippo lighters i think you know what i'm

1878
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,960
talking about yeah it's one of these

1879
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,240
chrome metal lighters

1880
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:34,000
so because he was going to light a

1881
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:35,359
cigarette the second

1882
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:38,640
he brought this lighter out of his pant

1883
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,880
pocket it left out of his hand and went

1884
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,799
right to the gas tank the entire thing

1885
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,240
was magnetized

1886
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,119
it didn't magnetize his entire motorbike

1887
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,559
wow

1888
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:51,440
holy cow man so it's a ce2 it's got it's

1889
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:52,480
a ce2

1890
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:55,599
visit physical effects yeah oh that's

1891
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:55,920
cool

1892
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,880
that's that's awesome how do you magnet

1893
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,079
how does that work

1894
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:02,240
that's for another we'll figure it out

1895
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:03,440
later

1896
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,640
science is tight it's got a some kind of

1897
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,000
powerful energy right man

1898
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:11,200
i love that there was a pyramid it goes

1899
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,640
pyramid yes

1900
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,240
it goes back to one of my favorite alien

1901
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:15,839
movies stargate

1902
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,880
oh okay yeah yeah

1903
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:21,119
and it's cool too because it i mean it's

1904
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,000
it's not only

1905
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:24,240
a pyramid but there's like little

1906
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:25,200
squares that

1907
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,559
make up this pyramid yep just like

1908
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:31,680
just like the pyramids we have here that

1909
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,000
was

1910
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,920
in the original sketch so what you're

1911
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,920
looking at is a is a faithful

1912
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:38,160
representation of the newspaper clipping

1913
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,160
wow wow so there's like yeah and in 1994

1914
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,880
you know 1994 that kind of leads into

1915
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:46,240
the next one so

1916
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:50,799
uh burton daily mail february 17th 1995

1917
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,760
this one took place in 1994 now similar

1918
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:55,520
scenario this gentleman

1919
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,280
he's going to work he's kind of in an

1920
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,359
suv vehicle

1921
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,760
and it's early in the morning and he

1922
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:02,960
sees this craft

1923
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:05,839
approaching his uh vehicle it was kind

1924
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:06,400
of

1925
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:09,760
pyramid

1926
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:12,880
it looked kind of like a horseshoe with

1927
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,440
a notch

1928
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,680
cut out so it's elliptical shaped craft

1929
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,520
with a notch cut out of the back

1930
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,520
there were two beaming spotlights coming

1931
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,039
out of the front surface

1932
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:23,039
and then it had tubes pipes and

1933
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,799
cylinders almost like an electrical

1934
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,880
schematic on the bottom of the craft

1935
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:29,119
and then as he was coming around a bend

1936
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,319
where there was a bridge

1937
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,400
this thing slowly departed from his view

1938
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,200
but we've got his case on file as well

1939
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,520
tubes pipes and cylinders tubes pipes

1940
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,039
and cylinders so now we're looking at

1941
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:41,839
12 cases of these tubes pipes and

1942
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,559
cylinders

1943
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:45,119
wow that's so cool and also like the two

1944
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:46,000
uh

1945
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:47,760
headlights that's interesting yeah the

1946
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,079
two headlights like why would

1947
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:52,400
who would think of that i don't know

1948
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,440
maybe that's a

1949
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:56,319
dumb question but you know we uh we have

1950
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:57,440
a listener

1951
01:07:00,870 --> 01:07:00,319
uh his name is sunny and he came on the

1952
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,880
show

1953
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,880
we do this little listener story corner

1954
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,640
where if people have you know

1955
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,160
had interesting sightings or whatever

1956
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:07,920
they can come on and and talk about it

1957
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,039
if they want to

1958
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,160
um well this guy uh

1959
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:14,319
he was in i believe it's fresno

1960
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,520
california

1961
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,920
um and he was saying as he was driving

1962
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,720
home

1963
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,440
one day he saw what he thought might

1964
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:23,440
have been like a drone or something over

1965
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,559
the neighborhood

1966
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,240
but as he drove closer to the

1967
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:28,319
neighborhood he realized that this thing

1968
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,960
was

1969
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,920
massive so he gets to his house and he

1970
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,920
said it was moving so slow

1971
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:36,000
over his neighborhood and it looked like

1972
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:36,960
a giant

1973
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:39,920
black boomerang and it had kind of like

1974
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,559
a back

1975
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,359
a bat tail on the back of it and he

1976
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,920
thought it was a b2 at first

1977
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,760
uh when he first got there he was like

1978
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,359
wow i've never seen this before

1979
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,359
but then as he got closer it flew

1980
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,680
directly over his neighborhood

1981
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,680
and he thought it was because he didn't

1982
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,760
hear any noise

1983
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,839
he you know he was like this thing is

1984
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,760
massive i thought it was crashing

1985
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,359
you know into my neighborhood and i

1986
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:05,280
thought to myself this could take out

1987
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:05,839
you know

1988
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:08,640
three blocks easy if it were to crash he

1989
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,599
said it was over

1990
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,319
you know a football field in length but

1991
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,920
he didn't hear anything

1992
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,480
but as yeah it was going really slow

1993
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,839
over his neighborhood

1994
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,080
and he said i looked at it for about 15

1995
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:22,080
seconds as it went over my head i could

1996
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:23,440
see the back of it

1997
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:26,319
and it looked like this like sheet metal

1998
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,199
on the back

1999
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,759
and it looked like uh exhaust dump or

2000
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,480
something

2001
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:33,199
off the back of it the internet is very

2002
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:33,839
interesting

2003
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:36,400
yes yeah and as he said i believe it

2004
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,199
went uh

2005
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:39,679
west to east is the direction it was

2006
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,319
moving

2007
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,759
and he said as it went over the

2008
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:43,600
neighborhood it was really slow

2009
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:46,640
but then as it left the neighborhood

2010
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:49,600
within three seconds it was out of sight

2011
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,520
and he couldn't see it

2012
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,440
very interesting and after listening to

2013
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,319
you and and all these cases

2014
01:09:01,829 --> 01:09:00,400
uh man it's really kind of filling in

2015
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,839
some puzzle pieces for me

2016
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,520
on like okay we have these little

2017
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,920
exhaust vents yeah we have these little

2018
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,799
rivets with

2019
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,640
you know metal on the back that he was

2020
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:10,159
able to make out he said

2021
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,600
you know it was nighttime but i could

2022
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:13,520
tell this thing was jet black

2023
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:16,640
right and you know it looked like

2024
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:19,600
somebody had made that no no sonic boom

2025
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,000
right

2026
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:23,040
no no sonic boom and what's interesting

2027
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,359
too

2028
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,920
is most of the eyewitnesses when they

2029
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,520
report these things and they're flying

2030
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:28,560
overhead

2031
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,679
they can hear a faint electrical humming

2032
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,560
noise

2033
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,960
like a transformer or a sewing machine

2034
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:37,520
yeah that's what these things sound like

2035
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,000
you know i'd be interested in is the age

2036
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,319
of of each people because

2037
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:44,799
experiencers because uh you know there's

2038
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:45,759
like this thing

2039
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,199
uh there was a cell phone uh ringtone

2040
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,120
that we all downloaded in high school do

2041
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,640
you ever did you ever do that yeah it

2042
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,320
was like this high frequency that like

2043
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,159
older people couldn't hear right right

2044
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,600
right but younger people could hear the

2045
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,679
frequency yeah i wonder if it's like

2046
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,280
if there's any correlation there like

2047
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,679
maybe maybe it has to do with age or

2048
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,280
maybe it's something specific yeah

2049
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:07,040
because because people say you know like

2050
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,520
uh

2051
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,840
different experiences like one person is

2052
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,560
like oh my gosh that noise is killing me

2053
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:14,080
yeah and then the other person doesn't

2054
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,199
hear anything

2055
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:17,280
you and i have experienced that right

2056
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,800
yeah

2057
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,400
well that that kind of goes back to the

2058
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,239
personality profile when you talk about

2059
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,520
this phenomenon

2060
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:25,120
there are some people that are

2061
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,280
interested in this and then

2062
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,800
some people according to their

2063
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,360
personality profile they could care less

2064
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:33,120
that's the way this thing rolls you know

2065
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,480
oh you can't you can't

2066
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,719
force this stuff on anybody you either

2067
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,719
have an interest in or you don't

2068
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:41,040
that's the way it is yeah that kind of

2069
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,080
rolls into

2070
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,520
we kind of touched on a little bit of

2071
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:45,520
the spirituality aspect that you brought

2072
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,159
up earlier

2073
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:48,080
right yes i feel like that goes hand in

2074
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:49,440
hand

2075
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,440
yep i agree i agree and that's something

2076
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:55,440
what are your thoughts uh on the

2077
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,280
spiritual component of this phenomenon

2078
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:02,159
well um when we started this podcast

2079
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:02,719
yeah

2080
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,040
when we started this podcast we were

2081
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:09,440
kind of like oh the spirituality aspect

2082
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:10,480
is kind of woo-woo

2083
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,920
right but you know you look throughout

2084
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,719
history and

2085
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,120
and people have always had this

2086
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,600
spiritual component to them

2087
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:22,320
all throughout history and certain

2088
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,199
people

2089
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,239
you know i guess

2090
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,440
say that they can you know access

2091
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,880
or call or have experiences i don't know

2092
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,800
if that's an internal thing if it's in

2093
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:35,920
their mind

2094
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:38,640
or if this spiritual connection really

2095
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,440
does uh

2096
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,280
you know maybe maybe the spiritual

2097
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,679
connection is some form of like

2098
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,080
biological technology that we don't

2099
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:47,679
understand yet

2100
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:50,239
um and that's kind of my thoughts on it

2101
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,880
because i mean

2102
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:53,199
whether you're you're you're a monk and

2103
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,480
you just meditate

2104
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:57,120
on top of a mountain for a year straight

2105
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:57,679
or

2106
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,600
minutes to an hour

2107
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:04,239
there's some sort of uh there's

2108
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:06,400
something fascinating about a group of

2109
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:06,880
people

2110
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,320
focusing their energy on on on something

2111
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:12,239
whatever you want to call it you know

2112
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:13,600
right um and

2113
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:16,880
and maybe there is a uh uh

2114
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,320
an effect that happens maybe it sets off

2115
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,000
a beacon of some sort maybe

2116
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,159
there's some sort of energy that happens

2117
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:25,920
that we can't see

2118
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:28,800
or or or hear or feel you know maybe

2119
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,159
it's something invisible

2120
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:32,159
we just haven't figured it out yet i

2121
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:33,840
mean i i think one of the

2122
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:37,040
the coolest quotes is uh magic

2123
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,800
is just technology we haven't figured

2124
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,159
out yet right

2125
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:42,640
right right some of the conclusions

2126
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:43,280
reached by

2127
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,480
jacques valet and norio hayakawa i think

2128
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:49,040
play a role in this yeah i really do

2129
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,159
because uh

2130
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,199
norio talks about how ufos

2131
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:54,560
they've they've been seen for hundreds

2132
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,040
of years right they they act like

2133
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:59,679
tricksters they can come and go as they

2134
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,480
please

2135
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,800
they can materialize and dematerialize

2136
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:04,239
as they please

2137
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:06,159
they can go in and out of oceans and

2138
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,760
rivers and lakes and waters

2139
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,239
as they please they've been seen flying

2140
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:12,159
into the side of mountains with no

2141
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:13,280
impact

2142
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,000
so we're not talking about a physical

2143
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,080
craft here in some cases

2144
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,600
that could be the spiritual component

2145
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,520
that i think norio is alluding to

2146
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,640
yes yeah absolutely like yeah

2147
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,560
the spiritual thing like what what does

2148
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:28,080
that mean right does it is it

2149
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,120
strictly a human uh construct i don't

2150
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:33,120
i think what we're trying to to figure

2151
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,199
out is it's a word that we haven't come

2152
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,640
up with yet it's

2153
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,400
spirituality is like the closest thing

2154
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,080
we can get to

2155
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,480
agree on like it's just something that

2156
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,920
we can feel

2157
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:46,080
uh and we don't fully understand and

2158
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:46,960
it's kind of like

2159
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,239
a compass to where we know what

2160
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:52,960
uh we believe and we're curious about it

2161
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,360
and some people don't have that compass

2162
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,159
and i think it all comes down to that

2163
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:00,000
that gravitational or magnetic

2164
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,080
field or force that pulls it is intent

2165
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,960
based off of uh you know curiosity your

2166
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,400
innate curiosity

2167
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,120
i think most people are are born with a

2168
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,120
certain curiosity when they're young and

2169
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:15,920
i think it's a taut thing to stop like

2170
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,400
don't

2171
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,000
question like there's no just

2172
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,679
everything's figured out

2173
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:21,920
you know learn your times tables dude

2174
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:22,719
whatever

2175
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,920
and i think that resonates less with

2176
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:28,320
i think creative types like you michael

2177
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,520
and you joe

2178
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,159
and me like and a lot of our listener

2179
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,159
probably you listening to us right now

2180
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,920
uh the reason why you're listening to it

2181
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:38,000
is because you have a curious mind

2182
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,840
exactly yeah so it all it all it all

2183
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,400
connects

2184
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,800
that's right that's right okay let's

2185
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:46,159
move on to the next one here

2186
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:49,679
uh this is december 26 1972

2187
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:52,960
and when i first saw this drawing

2188
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,000
and sketch in the file at qfos i knew i

2189
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,600
wanted to follow up on it

2190
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:59,520
because it had been buried there for

2191
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,880
like 40 years

2192
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,560
and to my knowledge it never seen the

2193
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,800
light of day wow if if we didn't follow

2194
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,320
up on it still be sitting there right

2195
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,920
now we'd know nothing about it

2196
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,400
it never made it went anywhere so it's 8

2197
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:11,600
p.m

2198
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,880
uh we've got the actual eyewitness uh

2199
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,280
case on file his handwritten notes he

2200
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:19,600
did a beautiful drawing of this thing

2201
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:22,159
and he he had a three-page write-up

2202
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,360
about it too so

2203
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,600
you can bank on it it's a real deal uh

2204
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:28,320
this is maricibo venezuela

2205
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:31,440
december 26 1972

2206
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:35,120
8 pm so it's the the father the wife and

2207
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,159
the daughter

2208
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:38,560
they're on the top of their it's about a

2209
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,920
13th floor

2210
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,360
apartment complex they're on the top

2211
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:43,120
floor they're looking at an

2212
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:45,280
airliner that comes like on a nightly

2213
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:46,960
basis at the right time

2214
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:49,520
they thought it was a convair airliner

2215
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,320
and what they

2216
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,440
ended up seeing was this orangish glow

2217
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,280
approaching them he thought the engine

2218
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:56,800
this cell was on fire that was his

2219
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,600
original thought

2220
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,600
yeah some type of engine fire or

2221
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,960
something but

2222
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,280
as this thing got closer and he got

2223
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,000
within 150 feet of it it passed them

2224
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,520
within 150 feet so this is a very close

2225
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:12,239
sighting here this was no airliner it

2226
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:13,120
was following

2227
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,719
its original flight path and then it

2228
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:16,320
made a 45 degree bank

2229
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,080
up then kind of like went level again

2230
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,640
to avoid some buildings that they were

2231
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:24,480
in the vicinity so i had to make this

2232
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,520
tip-up maneuver

2233
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,520
and then it came like went back to its

2234
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,280
original flight path now as this thing

2235
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,199
flew by

2236
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:33,920
he got such a close view he said that it

2237
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:34,560
was kind of

2238
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:38,480
elliptical shape in its configuration

2239
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,920
and it had it had exhaust

2240
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,719
ports that looked like cast iron exhaust

2241
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:45,600
ports

2242
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,400
that were on the left hand side and the

2243
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,400
right hand side and all throughout the

2244
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:52,080
back of this thing that wrapped around

2245
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:52,880
the entire

2246
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:55,520
right back and left portion of this

2247
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,320
thing

2248
01:17:02,470 --> 01:16:59,360
and out of these cast iron exhaust ports

2249
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:02,480
were these purple colored lasagna noodle

2250
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,600
flames

2251
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,760
coming out of these exhaust ports it's

2252
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,199
the way it's described

2253
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,280
but these didn't look like flames at a

2254
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,040
campfire these look like

2255
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:13,520
electrical discharge flames that's what

2256
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,640
made it different

2257
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:16,800
and then he said that there were these

2258
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:17,840
two half

2259
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,520
hemispherical opposing globes

2260
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,000
it looks like a uh a globe that was cut

2261
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,000
in half so you've got these two halves

2262
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:28,000
and then running between these two

2263
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,159
halves was a continuous

2264
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,280
blue electrical spark going between

2265
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:34,800
these things

2266
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:38,080
as this whole thing is flying by and the

2267
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:38,880
smoke

2268
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:41,600
that was coming off of these spark gap

2269
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,480
mechanism

2270
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,120
the smoke was following the craft it did

2271
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,679
not dissipate near the end of this thing

2272
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,679
it was just following as the craft was

2273
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,360
going by now

2274
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:54,000
this thing terminated its uh visual

2275
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:54,719
sighting

2276
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:57,679
over the nearby airport and then about

2277
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:58,640
two minutes later

2278
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:01,280
another craft identical to this one

2279
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,480
passed them as well

2280
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,960
wow and he told his daughter to go run

2281
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:07,040
next door to go get some binoculars she

2282
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,159
ran back

2283
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,400
and he could see all the details through

2284
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,960
binoculars 150 feet away he got a real

2285
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:14,560
good close sight of this this thing

2286
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,080
wow that's so cool i love it so

2287
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,480
he brought a friend with him just

2288
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,159
strange configuration

2289
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:25,199
it absolutely is man uh you know it's

2290
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:26,159
like

2291
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:29,600
if uh if if you're an alien it's

2292
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:32,000
it'd be strange in my mind i guess i

2293
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,600
mean i don't i don't know anything about

2294
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:36,080
you know aliens specifically i mean i'm

2295
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,800
into it but

2296
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:38,320
it would seem strange that you would

2297
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,000
just have this smokey aircraft

2298
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,560
flying through the air you know with a

2299
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:43,920
bunch of smoke off of it

2300
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:47,040
i mean right that's right um man-made

2301
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:50,239
you know i mean that sounds possible but

2302
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,560
i mean then also i guess you know if

2303
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:55,120
it is from somewhere else i mean who's

2304
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,400
to say that

2305
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:59,040
whatever they're using uh wouldn't

2306
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:00,080
interact maybe

2307
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,840
with our atmosphere completely different

2308
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,840
than the way it reacts with their own

2309
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,640
atmosphere

2310
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:07,440
you know right that's right possible all

2311
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,159
bets are off

2312
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,480
yep just going by the eyewitness room

2313
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,400
absolutely what they're describing

2314
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,400
if you put all these pieces together and

2315
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,520
look at the under

2316
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,679
structure of these craft look at when

2317
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:19,280
these craft are cited

2318
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,440
look at the electrical humming we can

2319
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,280
start to piece this thing together

2320
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,199
now it's been said that what we're

2321
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
looking at here is a 400 piece puzzle

2322
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:29,760
but we only have 200 of the pieces

2323
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:32,000
and we're trying to put these pieces in

2324
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,040
place

2325
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:35,040
i think we have less than 200 i think

2326
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:36,960
we're more like 75

2327
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:39,760
really that makes sense yeah yeah i feel

2328
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:40,800
like i have 75

2329
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,960
now that i've seen all of that 75 now

2330
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,520
we might have the borders put in place

2331
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:49,280
and some of the pieces that make up the

2332
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,040
borders we've got that but

2333
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,520
what do we really know about this

2334
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,600
phenomenon

2335
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,840
how much further along in knowledge are

2336
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,199
we now

2337
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,640
than we were on june 24 1947 kenneth

2338
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,320
arnold if you believe that case

2339
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,480
right are we further yeah we're further

2340
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,400
along but we're not where we need to be

2341
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:11,040
not even close yeah yeah and and i mean

2342
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:12,400
just looking at this image

2343
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:16,000
you know in 1972 you've got these

2344
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:19,360
uh uh purple electric noodles lasagna

2345
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,800
as as you know flames or or whatever i

2346
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,320
mean that's

2347
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:26,719
that's i mean yeah this is still apollo

2348
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:27,440
time frame

2349
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:29,679
72 was still a part of the auto mission

2350
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:30,560
so it's still

2351
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:33,840
part of the apollo space program wow

2352
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,679
man i can't get over that

2353
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,840
yeah that's such a like a very specific

2354
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:42,000
thing i keep saying that word but it's

2355
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:44,080
like the the visual description of

2356
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,120
lasagna

2357
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:48,400
and plasma material like where

2358
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:51,600
there's nothing in comic books or or

2359
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,719
movies

2360
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:54,960
that i know of that that you could

2361
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,840
derive

2362
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:57,280
something from that that seems like a

2363
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:58,880
very original

2364
01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:02,159
yes that's right observation it's by

2365
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:03,199
design

2366
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,520
time for one more here

2367
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:09,360
okay now this is a good case i really

2368
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,719
love this case

2369
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,560
this is i think we can bank on this one

2370
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:14,239
too awesome

2371
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,000
il patcha he was 39 years old

2372
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:20,480
and this is northern california at a

2373
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,199
place

2374
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:23,280
called caluza california he it was

2375
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:24,600
september 10th

2376
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:27,600
1976. all right here's the breakdown of

2377
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:28,400
the story

2378
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:32,639
uh he is watching tv it's 11 30 p.m at

2379
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:33,360
night his

2380
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,639
wife and his two children are asleep

2381
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:39,120
all of a sudden gentlemen the air

2382
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:39,840
conditioning

2383
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,760
conks out and the tv conks out

2384
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,360
so he's thinking what's going on here

2385
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,159
you know he's still in his boxer briefs

2386
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,639
i'm not going to go there but that's

2387
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,000
that's part of the story

2388
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:54,000
we got to stay here real comfortable

2389
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,199
yeah so he

2390
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:57,199
he's walking outside so he goes to the

2391
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,239
back of the house

2392
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,400
where the electrical box is so he's

2393
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:02,000
thinking maybe one of the circuit

2394
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,280
breakers blue

2395
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,440
so he opens up the box everything seems

2396
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:06,719
to be okay there

2397
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:09,679
so well that wasn't the case the next

2398
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:10,080
thing

2399
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,120
he notices is the hair on his head

2400
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:18,239
not only stands up but is crackling

2401
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:21,280
and the hair on his chest and the hair

2402
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:22,960
on his forearms

2403
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,400
is standing up and crackling he looks

2404
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,199
up and he's looking at the bottom i kid

2405
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:32,400
you not of a 150 foot diameter disc

2406
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:33,920
shaped craft

2407
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,560
that's how big this thing is right above

2408
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,000
his head and his you know

2409
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:40,880
right in his uh right where his garage

2410
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,520
is here

2411
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:43,360
he's directly below this thing now he

2412
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:44,800
could get a good look of it

2413
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:48,159
and it's in the description the top

2414
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:50,840
portion of this craft look like a lemon

2415
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:52,000
juicer

2416
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:54,080
or an orange juice squeezer that's what

2417
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,120
this thing looked like you guys know

2418
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,199
what i'm talking about

2419
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,199
and you put the half orange on there and

2420
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:01,120
you twist it that's what this thing

2421
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,719
looked like on top

2422
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:05,280
now on the bottom there was a uh a

2423
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,719
circular

2424
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,280
light that had a light shining down and

2425
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:11,199
then he said

2426
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,639
that there was these conduit tubes

2427
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,480
three on either side there were six

2428
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,000
conduit tubes

2429
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:21,040
that came down that had frayed edges

2430
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,840
he definitely uh described these conduit

2431
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:25,679
tubes they were kind of curly as they

2432
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,639
came down

2433
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,560
on either side of these conduit tubes

2434
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,159
were these prongs

2435
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:32,320
that had this kind of like a loop or

2436
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,199
prong

2437
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:36,000
almost like that 66 case here we go

2438
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:36,719
again with these

2439
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:39,440
problems again yeah so that he saw that

2440
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,159
as well

2441
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,840
now he said that the next thing that

2442
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:43,520
happened

2443
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:47,280
is that these prongs they retracted

2444
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,280
90 up into the interior of the craft but

2445
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:53,040
not a hundred percent they were somewhat

2446
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,760
exposed

2447
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,840
the same time that happened these

2448
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:58,159
conduit tubes they retracted into the

2449
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,120
bottom of the craft

2450
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:01,679
now the second that happened there were

2451
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,800
two hatches that

2452
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:05,280
opened on either side of the prongs and

2453
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:06,400
these gooseneck

2454
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:10,159
lights with a retractable or curved

2455
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,280
uh like attachment popped out of each

2456
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,440
side of the craft itself

2457
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:17,199
at this point he's thinking what is

2458
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,639
going on here

2459
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,120
i have got to go and wake up my family

2460
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:23,360
so he drops into the house

2461
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,239
he wakes up his wife he wakes up his two

2462
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:28,880
children by now this large craft

2463
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,120
is kind of like departing near the

2464
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:32,719
backyard but he could see

2465
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,360
on the left side just before this thing

2466
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,120
started moving toward the back

2467
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,040
he could see two more of these craft

2468
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:40,960
that looked identical to the one that he

2469
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,600
saw

2470
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,440
but these were half the size so we're

2471
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,920
looking at 75 feet in diameter two more

2472
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,800
of them

2473
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,719
and it looked like they were shining

2474
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:50,880
down some type of beam

2475
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,760
and they they were sucking power off the

2476
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,199
500 000 volt

2477
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:57,199
power lines and turning them cherry red

2478
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:58,239
in color those

2479
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,600
bastards so it's a ce2 case right here

2480
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:04,080
yes they were making these power lines

2481
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:05,840
cherry red in color like they're sucking

2482
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:06,480
power off

2483
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:09,600
okay so they go he goes to the back of

2484
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,320
the house

2485
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,239
he wakes up his wife wakes up the two

2486
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,960
kids they opened up the blinds

2487
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,280
and they're looking at the backyard now

2488
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:19,360
now we've got the large craft and that's

2489
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:19,760
in

2490
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:25,360
and i gotta give credit to tom bogan who

2491
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:27,040
i commissioned to do the artwork on this

2492
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:28,560
he's the one that made this all come

2493
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:29,520
alive oh it's

2494
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:32,480
so good yeah oh my god the large craft

2495
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,199
in the center

2496
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:36,159
flanked on either side by the 275 foot

2497
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:37,840
diameter shaped craft

2498
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:40,800
and this is all in 1972 and they're

2499
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,360
making

2500
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:44,159
those power lines he they're turning

2501
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,280
those cherry right in

2502
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,920
as well now here's what's interesting

2503
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:48,960
something really

2504
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,080
interesting happens next this large

2505
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,800
craft 150 feet in diameter it's in their

2506
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,400
backyard

2507
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:58,639
it goes from a dead standstill and if

2508
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,920
you look at this illustration where

2509
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,440
they're looking out the window here you

2510
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,960
can see some rolling hills in the

2511
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:04,000
background

2512
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:07,040
those kills are about 24 nautical miles

2513
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:07,600
away

2514
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,560
according to the primary eyewitness he

2515
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:12,159
said that this thing went from a dead

2516
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,199
standstill

2517
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:15,280
to directly over these hills in the

2518
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,320
background

2519
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,480
in less than one second and then one

2520
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:20,239
second later it popped back to its

2521
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:21,280
original position

2522
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,040
whoa he forgot his chapstick and made no

2523
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,920
sonic boom back in 1972 who had the

2524
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,199
technology to do that

2525
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,239
my goodness my goodness we're not

2526
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:34,239
talking about liquid rockets here guys

2527
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:35,120
right it's nice

2528
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,400
it's not a plant it's not mars nope so

2529
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:41,280
at this point he is horrified he is

2530
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,239
shocked

2531
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,159
he can't believe what's going on he says

2532
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,520
you know what we're out of here

2533
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:47,600
so he gathered his family they all run

2534
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,880
to the garage

2535
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,719
he piles everyone in you know the kids

2536
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,480
still have their jammies on and

2537
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,880
and they're they're barely still asleep

2538
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,960
they have pillows and they run into the

2539
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:57,840
truck

2540
01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:00,320
this guy he you know starts up the

2541
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,880
engine

2542
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,800
he pulls out of the garage and then

2543
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,120
starts screaming down the road

2544
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:06,800
and the report says that they're going

2545
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:08,800
it actually says they reach

2546
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:12,000
90 miles an hour and that large craft is

2547
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,440
starting to chase after them

2548
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,520
oh my god they're in absolute horror

2549
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:17,280
they're screaming they're going 90 miles

2550
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,480
an hour down the road

2551
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:20,639
this thing goes off to the left then

2552
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:23,199
flies above the cab of the pickup truck

2553
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,480
and goes off to the right

2554
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:26,480
then goes back off to the left by this

2555
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,239
time they're hysterical

2556
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:29,679
they eventually make it to the

2557
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,400
neighbor's house they slam on the brakes

2558
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,400
they pile out of the car

2559
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,159
they start slamming onto the door of the

2560
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,320
neighbors the two neighbors

2561
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,560
come out and just when the neighbors

2562
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,159
come out of the door

2563
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,560
they could see this large craft flying

2564
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:46,320
away so you've got the four

2565
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:48,960
primary eye wetnesses plus the two

2566
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,679
that's six so we've got six eyewitnesses

2567
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,000
saw that large car depart at a high rate

2568
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,719
of speed multi-eyewitness case

2569
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,880
it it's a solid case it's this is

2570
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,400
written up in multiple newspaper

2571
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:01,760
publications

2572
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:04,400
wow yeah i would say that's pretty solid

2573
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:05,040
yeah

2574
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:08,719
even like

2575
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:12,960
i i mean i also had to have like the

2576
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:15,600
children and the adults also say the

2577
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:16,880
same thing i mean is

2578
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:19,600
is that in this case they all saw it

2579
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,480
they all saw it

2580
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,120
yeah or the eyewitnesses were adults not

2581
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,120
that we're diminishing the eyewitness

2582
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:26,719
accounts of the children but

2583
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,840
for eyewitnesses saw this um

2584
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:32,000
they were chase chasing after their

2585
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,960
pickup truck

2586
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:35,520
the references are sun hurled may 29

2587
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:36,880
1979

2588
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,159
ufo evidence volume two number two

2589
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:42,639
richard hall 2001 which is a really good

2590
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,280
book

2591
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,199
if anyone really wants to get a handle

2592
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,719
on all these different cases

2593
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:49,120
ufo evidence by richard hall very good

2594
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,639
book god did a good job

2595
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:52,400
awesome i'm going to look into that for

2596
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,280
sure for sure i got to do more reading

2597
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:57,120
yeah i mean i think you kind of hit like

2598
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:58,960
an important point here too

2599
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:01,280
because uh we were talking about this

2600
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:02,880
with with terry loveless

2601
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:06,320
uh on when it comes to kids yes they

2602
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:06,880
have

2603
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:10,000
very you know uh active imaginations and

2604
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:11,280
whatnot but

2605
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:14,639
i i i can't imagine how much stuff

2606
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,840
kids have seen and told an adult

2607
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,159
and they just blew it off you know well

2608
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,159
they also like remember really

2609
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:24,880
intricate detail in some cases right

2610
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,199
yeah

2611
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:28,239
right that it goes down to like the the

2612
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:29,920
um

2613
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:32,639
relativeness of your lifespan right like

2614
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:32,960
if

2615
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:36,400
remembering this one thing like you

2616
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:36,880
probably

2617
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,920
remember a lot yeah absolutely yeah

2618
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,280
that's important

2619
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,120
the the children should be counted as

2620
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,040
well they should not be discounted

2621
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,520
absolutely definitely yeah i guess i

2622
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:49,360
mentioned that just because i feel like

2623
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:50,080
the

2624
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:57,760
you know i

2625
01:30:01,030 --> 01:30:00,000
honestly you know whose side i'm on but

2626
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:01,040
uh

2627
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,679
it again i keep saying this but the

2628
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,600
intricacy of all the stuff like

2629
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,840
yeah the details are great i mean it's

2630
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:11,199
it's incredible that

2631
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:14,239
that you can literally go uh to

2632
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:17,360
you know uh chicago right cute and kufos

2633
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:18,880
right in chicago or

2634
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,600
or the the library of congress or right

2635
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,440
here in austin texas we've got quite a

2636
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,440
few listeners in chicago actually we do

2637
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:27,600
we do that's one of our highest listener

2638
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:30,320
uh uh areas is in chicago

2639
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:32,560
so everybody in chicago i mean is that

2640
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,239
area is that place still there

2641
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,760
can you still go there it's my

2642
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:37,520
understanding that the archives

2643
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,679
have been moved to uic and they're a lot

2644
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:41,280
less accessible

2645
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:45,120
than when i got them like in 2008 910

2646
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:46,159
time frame

2647
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,440
i don't think they're i mean i could

2648
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:49,199
just walk in that door they gave me

2649
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:50,560
free reign of the whole thing i could

2650
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:53,040
pull out any case spent four hours there

2651
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:54,800
on a sunday come back next sunday do it

2652
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,440
all over again you can't do that anymore

2653
01:31:01,030 --> 01:30:59,679
it's not that accessible anymore so i

2654
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,040
think that window is closed

2655
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:03,920
that is so cool wow that's so cool so i

2656
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:04,320
i

2657
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:16,719
seen

2658
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:21,440
these stories and i i guarantee you none

2659
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:23,040
of our listeners have either

2660
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:25,120
so they're obscure that that's why i

2661
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,560
call it dark files

2662
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:29,040
a pictorial history of lost forgotten

2663
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,280
and obscure ufo encounters they are lost

2664
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:32,880
and forgotten they're gone

2665
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:35,920
yeah dark files i love that name dude

2666
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:37,840
yep also i love the typography

2667
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:40,960
uh at the top yes right you gotta have

2668
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:42,159
it stand out

2669
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,280
yeah it's really cool it's like

2670
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:45,440
definitely like stranger things also

2671
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:45,920
like the

2672
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:48,960
the imagery and the illustration is very

2673
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:50,960
uh it's so realistic but it also has

2674
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,000
like a

2675
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:54,880
a vibe to it i i i don't know what it is

2676
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:55,280
but

2677
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,040
it we we want to put you there we want

2678
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:01,040
to make you like you're the eyewitness

2679
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:02,800
at the scene you know that's that's the

2680
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:05,120
goal so well you did an amazing job with

2681
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:05,600
that

2682
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:11,040
you know we went through these cases we

2683
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:13,199
look at all this stuff we're talking you

2684
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:13,679
know

2685
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:17,120
we we noticed these patterns of of

2686
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,239
tubes and hoses and and

2687
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:23,199
headlights and and stuff that you would

2688
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:24,080
you would really

2689
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:27,360
connect to you know possibly uh being a

2690
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,800
man-made thing

2691
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,199
uh you know it's you know and and then

2692
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:33,199
that the astronaut story that you told

2693
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,600
just

2694
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:36,239
man really got me thinking i mean it's

2695
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,520
it's one of those things where like

2696
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:42,480
we as a as a taxpayer man i mean we

2697
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:43,920
spend

2698
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:46,480
you know billions of dollars on stuff

2699
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,120
like this

2700
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:49,760
and you never hear about it and one

2701
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,400
thing that i

2702
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:52,400
love about you is that you know it's

2703
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:54,639
like we have to hold these people

2704
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:58,000
accountable you know uh listening to you

2705
01:33:03,030 --> 01:32:59,280
say things like you know the

2706
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,040
uh you know like washers or like

2707
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:05,040
thousands of dollars or you know the

2708
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,480
little boxes right

2709
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,400
you know we we bought so many of them

2710
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:10,400
they ended up not even using them i mean

2711
01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:13,840
you know the the i guess

2712
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,639
there has to be a separation between

2713
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:17,760
what the government

2714
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:21,120
is doing and wherever this other stuff

2715
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:22,400
is coming from

2716
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:25,199
right yeah well i don't i don't want to

2717
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,520
go

2718
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:27,600
too far down that rabbit hole but i i

2719
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:28,719
know what you're saying i know where

2720
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:29,360
you're going

2721
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,400
right right yeah where's the separation

2722
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:34,639
is it even the government is it exactly

2723
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:35,600
that's what i'm saying i mean

2724
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:36,960
obviously we always talk about well the

2725
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:38,239
government does this and the government

2726
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:39,520
does that they don't tell you this and

2727
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:40,080
that but

2728
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,239
i guarantee you maybe ninety percent of

2729
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,760
people that work in government

2730
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,760
probably one aren't even interested in

2731
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,360
ufos or two just

2732
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:49,120
don't even know about it right we all

2733
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:51,040
need to know and none of those people

2734
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:52,400
need to know anything

2735
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:55,840
i i have a a really uh i guess connect

2736
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,800
connecting analogy and it and it it goes

2737
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:00,719
back to the first story that we covered

2738
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:03,360
in your your book michael uh the the

2739
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:04,000
airship

2740
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:06,639
uh you mentioned smoked colored glasses

2741
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:07,440
yes smoke

2742
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,639
that's that's uh that is specifically

2743
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:12,080
mentioned in the case file

2744
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:15,040
smoke colored glasses right so i i have

2745
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:16,719
a point but i just kind of want to

2746
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:20,719
like lead you into this idea that i have

2747
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:24,560
do did sunglasses exist in 18

2748
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:27,040
so and so yeah i think they had some

2749
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,639
kind of glasses yeah

2750
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,000
okay i was hoping you could be like no

2751
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:32,560
they didn't

2752
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:34,159
i was baiting you and to be like

2753
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,760
actually no i know for a fact

2754
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:37,199
they did not because i don't know i was

2755
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:38,800
hoping somebody knew oh

2756
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,920
yeah it specifically states uh smoke

2757
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:43,280
colored glasses

2758
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:48,719
even uh the layman that didn't know that

2759
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:52,639
sunglasses existed in you know the 1800s

2760
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:56,159
for me that seems like a a uh

2761
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:59,199
an elite status type human you know i

2762
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:00,639
just keep going back to this

2763
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,600
like overall thought that there's this

2764
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:05,360
civilization that lives on this planet

2765
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:07,360
that we will never know of

2766
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,560
that has access to all this stuff

2767
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:13,119
and that we're seeing these little clues

2768
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:14,960
and that you know they they've just

2769
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:17,760
constantly been covered up with i mean i

2770
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,280
guess i'm just repeating

2771
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,520
a couple of archetypes that we've gone

2772
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:23,040
over but i don't know i just find it

2773
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,920
fascinating

2774
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:25,119
well here's the other thing we should

2775
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:27,679
think about too okay so

2776
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:31,360
think about what happened just prior

2777
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:34,320
to all these sightings going on

2778
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:35,760
something big

2779
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:38,960
that happened not too far prior to this

2780
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:40,159
that happened in california does

2781
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,000
anything come to come to mind the

2782
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,159
discovery of the uh

2783
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:46,800
the nuclear bomb is that newton uh no

2784
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:47,760
back to the

2785
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,840
1897 what happened prior to 1897 that

2786
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:55,280
was big in california

2787
01:35:59,229 --> 01:35:58,719
gold rush gold gold rush california gold

2788
01:36:02,310 --> 01:35:59,239
rush

2789
01:36:05,550 --> 01:36:02,320
1849 so you could see that

2790
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:05,560
if there was an eccentric group of

2791
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:09,440
financiers that funded the sonora arrow

2792
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:10,719
club

2793
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,679
somewhere in new york they would have

2794
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:15,679
needed a way to get that stuff from the

2795
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:16,560
west coast

2796
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,229
i love this let's keep going oh my gosh

2797
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,239
let's keep digging it's all about money

2798
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,560
it's all about money it is and gold is a

2799
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,560
very good form of money

2800
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,800
like every everything in san francisco

2801
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:34,400
is like five times more than it should

2802
01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:35,119
be

2803
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,520
yeah yeah it's all about the gold rush

2804
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,880
because they were they were over

2805
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:41,040
charging for jeans at the time they were

2806
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,080
overcharging for

2807
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,119
gold pans and shovels and pickaxes and

2808
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,800
that's where the hotels started

2809
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:48,960
and then they started making uh building

2810
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,719
complexes and it's all about the gold

2811
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:53,119
right this whole thing's about money

2812
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,199
yes all about money oh

2813
01:37:02,070 --> 01:36:59,199
man follow the money right that has been

2814
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,080
a a recurring theme in our podcast for

2815
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,320
quite a while follow the money it really

2816
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,480
applies to everything

2817
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,719
everything it does it does same thing

2818
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:10,960
with the the this phenomenon itself

2819
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:13,840
it it replies to it replies it applies

2820
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:14,320
to

2821
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:17,760
religion it reply a platinum

2822
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:20,480
applies to economy it applies to so many

2823
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:21,679
different things man

2824
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,320
right yeah yeah it just makes it so much

2825
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,920
more of a reason why

2826
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,600
all of this stuff has been swept un

2827
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:29,119
under the rug is because

2828
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:32,080
you know that veil man we all living

2829
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:33,600
under that veil you know

2830
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,880
yep yep money

2831
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:39,280
you know i guess we can say what we want

2832
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:40,719
to say about tupac

2833
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:43,840
i know maybe his lifestyle wasn't

2834
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,800
the most uh something that we should

2835
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,080
follow all the time but

2836
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:50,159
ate a point right he made a point he

2837
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,159
said uh it's a setup

2838
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:54,080
even tupac knew it's a setup he was

2839
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:55,520
trying to get that across to people i

2840
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:56,719
don't know if they

2841
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:00,000
got it but he knew that this is a setup

2842
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:03,600
yeah he was intelligent as dude

2843
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:06,159
guys a genius he had to dumb down most

2844
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:07,119
of his lyrics so

2845
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,280
people would understand i mean i'm not

2846
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,040
you know dumbed down he was

2847
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:13,280
smart yeah he was pretty smart concepts

2848
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,320
were he definitely was smart

2849
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:17,679
he's a revolutionary he's a

2850
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,920
revolutionary oh he definitely was man i

2851
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,199
mean he made a huge

2852
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,920
impact not only just in music but but

2853
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:25,040
the way that people

2854
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:28,639
think uh about society just in general

2855
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:31,360
i mean yeah he was uh he was definitely

2856
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:32,480
a smart guy

2857
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:39,360
big picture on a on a massive level i

2858
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:39,840
mean

2859
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:42,880
they they talk about how if if you're at

2860
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,719
a a fast food joint and your burger

2861
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,199
is cold you take it back to the cash

2862
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:51,119
register person right

2863
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:52,880
the person at the cash register if that

2864
01:38:58,030 --> 01:38:55,600
doesn't work you take it to the manager

2865
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,040
if that doesn't work you take it to the

2866
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,400
franchisee owner

2867
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,040
that's what tupac was doing right he's

2868
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,440
taking it to the franchisee owner

2869
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,760
that's what he was doing in his songs he

2870
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:09,679
got the big picture he knew what was

2871
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,400
going on

2872
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:12,639
right yeah he was calling out like

2873
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:13,600
hypocrisies

2874
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,560
within the music industry like from day

2875
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:20,390
and just the world like i'm doing all

2876
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:22,639
the work and you're making

2877
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:26,000
five times to pay this is not fair

2878
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,320
if he lived longer i only wonder

2879
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:32,159
what he could have done what he could

2880
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,040
have accomplished if he would have

2881
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:37,679
caused a huge revolution i don't know

2882
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,400
yes and

2883
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:40,320
it's one of those things where like okay

2884
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:41,840
we do have this uh

2885
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:44,880
revolutionary voice uh most people who

2886
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:45,840
have something

2887
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,080
to say usually get assassinated

2888
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:52,560
right and tupac tupac i mean when you

2889
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,600
think about it it's

2890
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,520
you you think about like kennedy and

2891
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:57,280
then you think about tupac and you don't

2892
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,800
really make a connection but whenever

2893
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:00,400
you think about it on that level

2894
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,280
of of what people are saying and how

2895
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:05,119
they're trying to change the world

2896
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:06,800
it definitely does connect that would be

2897
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:09,600
a dope remixed in

2898
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,239
tupac with kennedy park the cop

2899
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:16,400
oh man only like phrase i could think of

2900
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,679
man i i yeah

2901
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,760
man this has been absolutely awesome and

2902
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:21,119
it's it's it's just

2903
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,239
you know uh i i guess i i have one more

2904
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,679
one more question for you i guess

2905
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,679
uh well i have a million questions but i

2906
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:28,719
mean

2907
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,840
i'm small fries guys i'm small fries

2908
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,920
i'll go with this one but uh say like

2909
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,320
this last case that we just went over

2910
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:39,440
um where where the the craft is chasing

2911
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,000
people

2912
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:42,639
and lighting up these telephone poles

2913
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:43,840
and stuff

2914
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,080
if we found out and and this could be a

2915
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,159
reason why we don't you know

2916
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,239
know a lot of this information right um

2917
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:52,800
if we found out that it was man-made

2918
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,760
um you know by somebody here um so they

2919
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:57,600
blew up these telephone poles and they

2920
01:41:02,629 --> 01:40:59,199
chased his family down the road

2921
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,639
is that considered domestic terrorism

2922
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:05,520
good question good question yeah i mean

2923
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,560
it just seems like there would be

2924
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:08,800
lawsuits out the wazoo for like stuff

2925
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,639
that like oh this was you

2926
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,080
you'd have to start the whole legal

2927
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,880
process come on boeing you know or like

2928
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:17,520
one thing we can think of and this is

2929
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,119
brought out by a friend of mine i guess

2930
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:20,960
we'll leave his name out but

2931
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:24,080
you know like when you uh when there is

2932
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:27,199
something going on they will use

2933
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,920
the tabloids to paint things over with

2934
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:33,199
you know like if something actually

2935
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:34,400
happens

2936
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:37,280
they'll put that into the tabloids which

2937
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,040
will discredit it

2938
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:41,760
essentially and so that's that's design

2939
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,159
that's

2940
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:45,040
the specific reason why they do that is

2941
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:46,719
to keep people like you and i from

2942
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:48,560
looking into this subject

2943
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:51,679
yeah that's what that's for to escape

2944
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:52,880
ridicule and

2945
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:56,159
yeah that's it's such a mind such a

2946
01:42:03,750 --> 01:41:56,960
mindful like

2947
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:07,430
so you're gonna okay we all know this

2948
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,040
thing's true but we're gonna like

2949
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:11,199
make fun of it so that you sound

2950
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:12,320
ridiculous

2951
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:15,679
yeah like dude you like what

2952
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:18,880
come on i don't know all all anyone has

2953
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:19,360
to do

2954
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:21,199
to prove this to themselves and i'm not

2955
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,639
talking about alien

2956
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,239
i'm not talking about man-made i'm just

2957
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,000
talking about in general

2958
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:29,119
if you look at nycap.org go on their

2959
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:29,920
website

2960
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:32,080
and then you can do uh sightings by

2961
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:32,960
chronology

2962
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:35,920
they they have broken all the cases down

2963
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:37,840
to all the dates

2964
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:40,159
from pre-history to you know current

2965
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,880
times

2966
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,199
all of them are listed in nycap.org and

2967
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:44,719
you can spend years going through this

2968
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,360
stuff

2969
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,760
but there were so many sightings during

2970
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:49,119
the flap of 47

2971
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:51,920
which makes it significant but even more

2972
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,400
so

2973
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:55,040
there were even more sightings in 52.

2974
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:55,600
there are

2975
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:57,760
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

2976
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,199
sightings in 52.

2977
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,360
you just can't say it's not there i mean

2978
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:03,679
it's it's a real thing it's going on

2979
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:06,960
yeah it absolutely is it absolutely is

2980
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:10,239
and uh uh i had heard you say

2981
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,400
uh in an interview that a lot of this

2982
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,040
a lot of of what's going on happens on

2983
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,600
thursdays

2984
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,840
thursday is significant we'll save that

2985
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,280
for next time okay that's right

2986
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:25,199
there's a reason why we do our podcast

2987
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:26,480
on thursday there's a reason we do

2988
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:27,040
podcasts

2989
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,480
we're gonna miss it because we're not

2990
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,040
outside you guys are good

2991
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:34,080
that's awesome man well michael before

2992
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,600
we wrap this up man

2993
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,159
is there anything that you know maybe

2994
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,239
you left out or you just want people to

2995
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:43,360
to to know uh where can we find your

2996
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:43,760
book

2997
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:47,199
is on amazon

2998
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:48,880
and all you have to do is put in dark

2999
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:50,719
files in my name it'll pop up

3000
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,400
it'll pop up and it's very reasonable

3001
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:56,880
uh richard dolmey dolan helped me you

3002
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,119
know format and everything and he said

3003
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:01,119
that should be the price point we want

3004
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:02,719
to make it affordable to people and so

3005
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:03,840
that's what we've done so

3006
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:06,159
right that's great man richard dolan's

3007
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:07,679
so cool dude

3008
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,800
like he's cool dude yes

3009
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,960
oh man but michael schrad is an even

3010
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:14,000
cooler dude

3011
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,040
yes man yes yeah man i'm so glad we met

3012
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:19,040
you man we we didn't get a lot of uh

3013
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,960
a lot of bro time but man we we

3014
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:22,719
definitely got to experience

3015
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:25,440
that whole crew right like uh jim

3016
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,080
goodall

3017
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:28,320
and i mean man that whole crew was such

3018
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,520
a fun little

3019
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,960
it was everybody that was at the

3020
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:33,040
conference was was just

3021
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:35,040
fascinating yeah absolutely fast so

3022
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:36,880
props to lorien just shout out to laurie

3023
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:37,199
yeah

3024
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,639
jim uh

3025
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,239
jim hooked us up with your contact

3026
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,480
information

3027
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:46,560
he stayed the night at my house a few

3028
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,080
weeks ago when he was on his little

3029
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,480
tour and uh we did a little interview

3030
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,719
and we got to talking about you and he

3031
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:54,239
was like yeah you guys gotta have them

3032
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:55,920
on your show and i was like yes we're

3033
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:57,679
gonna reach out immediately

3034
01:45:01,270 --> 01:45:00,719
so well it was a unique conference

3035
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:01,280
because

3036
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,960
it was the last conference before

3037
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:04,320
everything fell off the edge of the

3038
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,800
world

3039
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,199
yes exactly definitely there have not

3040
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:09,040
been any more ufo conferences since we

3041
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:09,840
were at that one

3042
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:12,960
i know i know i'm uh i'm excited for it

3043
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:14,000
to get ramped back

3044
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,760
up again i mean do you have any any

3045
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:17,199
plans for the future

3046
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:19,920
uh dealing with maybe future conferences

3047
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:20,320
or

3048
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:23,440
probably

3049
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,639
contact in the desert 2021 if it goes on

3050
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:29,040
hell yeah yeah we gotta go dude yeah we

3051
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,719
have to go to that for sure

3052
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:32,159
because i know like you know gary and

3053
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,600
then they were supposed to speak this

3054
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:35,920
year at uh contact and they didn't get a

3055
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,719
chance to

3056
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:39,360
so we got to go hang out with uh uh uh

3057
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:39,920
bree

3058
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:42,719
and them from yeah yeah yep yep that

3059
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:43,600
sounds great

3060
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:46,560
well all right michael man this has been

3061
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:47,199
awesome

3062
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:49,840
again thank you so much for uh coming on

3063
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:50,480
the show

3064
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:53,360
and we're you know super excited that

3065
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,880
this happened and we definitely want to

3066
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,239
have you back on again

3067
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:58,080
maybe we can get into some of that a

3068
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:59,679
little bit more uh government

3069
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,320
secret space programming type stuff on

3070
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,400
the next one man

3071
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,159
well thank you guys i really appreciate

3072
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,840
it all right man well this has been

3073
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:09,360
great dude hey we'll talk to you later

3074
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:10,320
all right

3075
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:21,280
it went dead there oh did it yeah no

3076
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:22,080
we're i mean

3077
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:25,119
recorded oh yeah you're good um dude i

3078
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:27,119
mean that was that was so great

3079
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:29,119
that was so great i'm so awesome we were

3080
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:30,560
able to have him on and

3081
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:32,320
and like i said man i mean the dude is

3082
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:34,159
like i mean he's just like an

3083
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:35,040
encyclopedia

3084
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:36,880
well obviously i'm sure i'm sure he had

3085
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:39,040
the same stuff up on his screen but i

3086
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:40,159
think he did i think he

3087
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:43,600
has it all by memory memory just the the

3088
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,239
sheer

3089
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,199
uh knowledge like i just i'm impressed

3090
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:49,679
and i'm like jealous of that

3091
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:53,360
brain yeah some people have it some

3092
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,560
people don't have it

3093
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:56,480
you know i love it i have a just

3094
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:57,760
strictly like

3095
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:01,520
uh little spurts of of inspiration but

3096
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:02,400
like man

3097
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:05,679
the man's ability to to uh also

3098
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,520
visualize and describe things and

3099
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,440
make it happen to where i mean look what

3100
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:13,360
he did i mean he's very good at

3101
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:14,719
describing stuff

3102
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:17,440
like even before i saw all of this when

3103
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:19,520
i would hear him describe things

3104
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,400
i could picture it in my head so well

3105
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:24,719
that when i saw this i was like

3106
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,800
that's such a good visual representation

3107
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:28,080
of what he described

3108
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:30,800
i know i probably yeah i know i probably

3109
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,000
like it up by

3110
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,199
you know saying something wrong but the

3111
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:38,159
challenger story that he told dude i

3112
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:39,840
like i told him like you need to go to

3113
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:41,119
your nearest coffee shop

3114
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:43,280
yeah like dude i had chills the whole

3115
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,560
time man like

3116
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:46,960
he's a great storyteller yeah yeah that

3117
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:47,600
was uh

3118
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:50,159
that was a point in the in the show that

3119
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:51,199
definitely

3120
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:54,639
uh i forgot we were on the podcast i

3121
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,040
don't know

3122
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:58,239
know if this is too soon but like the

3123
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:58,880
challenger

3124
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:01,280
my mind exploded you know what i'm

3125
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:02,159
saying

3126
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:06,480
i can can you even imagine

3127
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:09,679
being in a space shuttle and it explodes

3128
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,320
and you're like

3129
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:12,639
here we go i mean what do you do

3130
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:13,440
and you're just

3131
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,639
arcing through the air dude and then

3132
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,400
before you know it you come back down

3133
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,840
you look out the window you're like

3134
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:21,520
i'm supposed to be on that

3135
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,360
and i'm not on that and i'm heading

3136
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:24,719
towards water

3137
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:28,560
dude oh it's supposed to be

3138
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:30,800
so i can't remember what movie i watched

3139
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,239
oh my gosh um

3140
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,560
but it's about the challenger no it's a

3141
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:36,800
tv show i think it was a like a hulu tv

3142
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,679
show

3143
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,760
there's a new netflix series jess knows

3144
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:41,679
about the challenger

3145
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,679
is it with hillary hillary swank oh i

3146
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:45,440
don't know okay that's not the one

3147
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:48,320
it's the one i watched on on oh oh oh

3148
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:49,840
don't go to sleep okay

3149
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:52,880
uh me and jeff i don't know what

3150
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:53,840
it's called

3151
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,520
it's not a way it's not that it's not a

3152
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:57,600
way no okay uh that's

3153
01:49:01,669 --> 01:49:00,719
hilary swank right i don't know i always

3154
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,679
call her the the

3155
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,560
the girl with the big mouth yeah she's

3156
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:05,920
got big teeth

3157
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:08,239
yeah i mean she's cute she's attractive

3158
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:09,920
for sure that could be anne hathaway

3159
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:10,880
that could be

3160
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:25,750
oh so okay so this dramat uh

3161
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:27,599
dramatization of the voyager

3162
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,760
which that's weird that also netflix is

3163
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,360
having this their own thing

3164
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,760
uh this i'm pretty damn sure jess would

3165
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,440
know i'll ask her later

3166
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,679
um they they make it seem to where

3167
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:39,760
there's like this lucky dime

3168
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:42,960
that they carry on to each uh

3169
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:46,080
launch and the person takes the dime out

3170
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:47,280
of their pocket

3171
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:50,239
and as they launch the dime gets lost it

3172
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:50,800
fell

3173
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:55,920
up yes yes so is that a true story or is

3174
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:56,159
that

3175
01:50:02,070 --> 01:49:59,360
true story

3176
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:02,080
because i've heard that uh years ago

3177
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,400
okay

3178
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,280
where somebody had the coin and they

3179
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:06,880
accidentally dropped it

3180
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,719
and it landed next to one of the

3181
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:10,080
boosters or something

3182
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:13,119
and as they took off this coin

3183
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:15,840
fell and punctured something it could be

3184
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:17,360
as simple as like

3185
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:20,800
getting in between a little clampy clamp

3186
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:24,400
boy yeah and oh it can't move this way

3187
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,800
so it can't get rid of this thing which

3188
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:28,800
also can't get of that big thing

3189
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:31,199
yeah i mean dude the engineering that

3190
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,560
goes behind this stuff

3191
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:35,040
i will never understand you know and you

3192
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,639
think about it like the engineering

3193
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,639
legos before so

3194
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:41,360
the engineering that goes into uh

3195
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:43,760
building a space shuttle

3196
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:46,639
or you know something like that there's

3197
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,679
so many

3198
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:50,400
moving parts and just like room for

3199
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:51,360
error

3200
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:54,080
it fascinates me that they're even able

3201
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:54,639
to

3202
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:56,560
do it correctly do you know what i'm

3203
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:58,000
saying yeah because i mean it's like

3204
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,599
the shuttle is built in different pieces

3205
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:04,080
at different stages and it's like okay

3206
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:05,760
everything has to be

3207
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,119
on to point perfect right um

3208
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,360
like ram or some but then you look

3209
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:13,760
at these craft these ufos these

3210
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:16,719
these circular little solid piece things

3211
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,570
and it's like right

3212
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:19,599
[Music]

3213
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,719
it the mechanics the moving parts behind

3214
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,719
it don't seem like it would be as

3215
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:27,760
tough but maybe the technology used to

3216
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:29,199
move these craft

3217
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:32,239
is way past what we're using to launch

3218
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:32,800
these

3219
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,239
you know fluid rockets right you know

3220
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,639
and it's weird it's weird it's so like

3221
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:40,480
there's so many moving parts in the old

3222
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,040
stuff

3223
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,119
but it's so rudimentary when it comes to

3224
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:45,199
science this new stuff has

3225
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,920
less moving parts it seems but way more

3226
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:49,440
advanced when it comes to the science

3227
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,760
test

3228
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:51,840
yeah i love that bell curve though like

3229
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:53,280
yeah i love that that makes

3230
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:54,239
sense to me and

3231
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,080
like it attracts me to uh

3232
01:52:01,270 --> 01:52:00,239
to push forward in technology it gives

3233
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:01,280
me hope

3234
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,960
for the future like less parts like as a

3235
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,800
i i guess i'm a designer that's what i

3236
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,159
guess i do for a living now

3237
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:11,520
but uh the simpler the better the

3238
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:14,239
more simple the product you know okay

3239
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,639
let's

3240
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:16,719
bring it back for a second but uh the

3241
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:17,679
glock

3242
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:20,080
is a perfect example of there's what

3243
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:21,040
four pieces

3244
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:23,599
yeah and it's just you can't you could

3245
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,040
throw that thing in

3246
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:27,119
in mud and it works right it's there's

3247
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:29,119
something about something we said about

3248
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:32,480
simplified technology that's built

3249
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,520
is ergonomic a word no that's not a very

3250
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,520
that doesn't describe it but yeah

3251
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:38,960
like what is that bell curve like it

3252
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,760
gets so technologically advanced

3253
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:43,520
you see like if you look at tech from

3254
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,040
like the 80s right

3255
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:46,880
we're speaking of the the voyager like

3256
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:48,639
there's so many like

3257
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:51,679
little tiny yeah exactly

3258
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:53,360
and it's like it's like okay we're gonna

3259
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:54,880
wrap foil on this

3260
01:53:02,629 --> 01:52:59,679
don't puncture do not do not

3261
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:02,639
where are your gloves jeremy okay okay

3262
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,560
you know how like you get like an ikea

3263
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,639
furniture and you will lose one screw

3264
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,239
that's why they always put like two

3265
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:11,520
extra imagine that with a rocket

3266
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,080
chip dude

3267
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:15,589
you're like okay who the has that

3268
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:18,870
tiny baby little inky queensy pooty

3269
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:19,840
little

3270
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,199
screw where is it oh or can you imagine

3271
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:25,440
can you imagine on almost completion

3272
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:27,040
like you're on completion day

3273
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,239
and you're up there and you're

3274
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:30,000
tightening some stuff and then like like

3275
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:31,840
a little washer falls down you're like

3276
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,920
we gotta take the whole thing

3277
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:35,679
apart you gotta take the whole it's like

3278
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:37,440
dropping the french fry in between your

3279
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,719
seat and the console man

3280
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:40,719
you're like you can't reach me all right

3281
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:43,599
i guess i gotta get a new car

3282
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,199
you truck also dude that

3283
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,880
it's a ford right and that

3284
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:50,719
that is definitely affordable they're

3285
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:51,920
driving okay

3286
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:55,119
wait before i forget before i forget uh

3287
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:58,239
so we're talking about uh two different

3288
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,080
and this is kind of a common theme that

3289
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:02,080
we've been talking about all night but

3290
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:03,920
there's a common theme right there's

3291
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:06,400
there's the it seems to be

3292
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:08,800
that okay let's say human as in earthly

3293
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:10,639
humans in our timeline right

3294
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,159
are considered uh a part of this

3295
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:16,080
secret let's say secret space program

3296
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:17,360
because everybody knows what i'm talking

3297
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,840
about

3298
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,360
right let's call i wish there was a

3299
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:21,360
better like a cooler term

3300
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:24,560
uh the badass space program the bat ass

3301
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:29,440
pays kabal channel so spa

3302
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,840
the soccer spas pro off spots

3303
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:36,320
that's way cooler and then there's us so

3304
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:37,679
maybe

3305
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:46,149
burger king all right so this

3306
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:48,400
the left side right this boss program

3307
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:49,280
the spot

3308
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:52,719
has been uh afforded this luxury of

3309
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,920
this advanced enhancement in technology

3310
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,440
from a

3311
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,360
this is just all hypothetical this is

3312
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:01,199
just going around

3313
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,400
i i assumed as much so uh it's like

3314
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:06,159
they've been given this technology and

3315
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:08,159
they're like hey you can have all this

3316
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:09,040
cool

3317
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,040
bro like just stay on your side of the

3318
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,280
planet you got half the planet look at

3319
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,360
hello go to google earth half the

3320
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:16,800
planet's water dude yeah

3321
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,800
stay on your half yeah and then leave

3322
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,800
everybody on the other half alone

3323
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,639
because we want to see what the other

3324
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:25,119
half with all their land and

3325
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,800
all their fish and and dogs and cats

3326
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:30,719
let's see what they can do and just

3327
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:32,000
leave them to

3328
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,080
to evolve on their own yeah and it's

3329
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:36,320
like this experiment to where like

3330
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:38,239
what would happen if we could do both

3331
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:39,760
experiments at once

3332
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:42,400
yeah it's not planetary it's like a

3333
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:43,520
dualism

3334
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:46,239
if you so i was thinking about this like

3335
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:46,800
yeah

3336
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:49,920
absolutely if you say you were part of

3337
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,440
that civilization right

3338
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,719
that survived with your technology

3339
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,639
oh right if you were if you were part of

3340
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:58,560
that civilization

3341
01:56:01,750 --> 01:56:00,800
and then you and then you notice that

3342
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,760
there's people

3343
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:04,719
that weren't involved in that yeah it

3344
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:05,280
would be

3345
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:08,400
i mean humans love experiments so if you

3346
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:10,960
are part of this small group that had

3347
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,719
this technology there was something that

3348
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,880
happened where it wiped most of people

3349
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:16,400
out and tribalism right yeah

3350
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:19,280
yeah hey dude you would wait and see you

3351
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:21,119
would be like okay look we have all this

3352
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,159
let's watch let's see so like okay okay

3353
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:26,159
hold on this goes even deeper hold on

3354
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,239
okay so at the beginning of time

3355
01:56:34,629 --> 01:56:32,800
we wanted a little walks on screen you

3356
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:34,639
know the very first people we see how

3357
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:35,840
they evolve and they

3358
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:37,520
they you know they get through these

3359
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:40,400
certain changes and aspects of life

3360
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:42,800
and it takes a long long time well

3361
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:44,880
suppose graham hancock is

3362
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:47,440
is right and maybe there is an advanced

3363
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,320
civilization

3364
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:50,400
that we've already gotten to this peak

3365
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:51,920
and then something happened right

3366
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:54,560
so now we wipe everything out we didn't

3367
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:56,000
really get to physically see

3368
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:58,000
what like crow magnum man and like what

3369
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:59,440
all those people were doing

3370
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:01,599
um so if we were part of this advanced

3371
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:02,560
civilization

3372
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,080
yeah if something happened but we were

3373
01:57:07,030 --> 01:57:06,239
still a part of it we would want to

3374
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:07,040
watch

3375
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:10,800
the re uh evolution of humanity again

3376
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:12,800
fascinating thing ever because we didn't

3377
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:14,719
get to see it when it first happened

3378
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:16,400
so if we got a chance to see it the

3379
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:18,400
second time around we'd want to

3380
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:22,239
watch it and study how humanity evolves

3381
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:27,040
yes to also just out of curiosity but to

3382
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:30,560
but to validate our uh

3383
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:32,880
what we think is is correct in the

3384
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:33,840
history yes

3385
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:36,960
yeah so so dude those like those voyager

3386
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,480
little capsules are maybe scientists

3387
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:42,239
and their families going on a weekend

3388
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:43,599
like hey maybe

3389
01:57:50,830 --> 01:57:46,639
instead maybe the future of archaeology

3390
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:50,840
is time travel it would make sense

3391
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:53,119
right it's that's fun

3392
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:56,239
to think about also like yeah

3393
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,679
so you were saying something earlier

3394
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:59,760
like the uh

3395
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:01,760
in the earlier evolution right like you

3396
01:58:04,629 --> 01:58:03,040
have this breakaway this

3397
01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:04,639
civilization that's more advanced and

3398
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,159
then there's this other thing that's

3399
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:08,000
going on on half of the world

3400
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:10,400
you're noticing like so we're flying

3401
01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:12,719
over in jets and they're like oh dude

3402
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:14,080
we didn't know there was any humans over

3403
01:58:18,390 --> 01:58:16,000
there we didn't think they could survive

3404
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:18,400
oh they're surviving and then that

3405
01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:19,119
turns into

3406
01:58:23,109 --> 01:58:22,000
you know what this this planet is like a

3407
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:23,119
little too toxic

3408
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:26,159
to what we're used to let's let's go

3409
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:28,880
a couple million light years away for a

3410
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:29,679
bit

3411
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:31,920
and then come back and you know some of

3412
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:33,520
you guys will stay here underground

3413
01:58:36,709 --> 01:58:34,719
because it's safe

3414
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:36,719
and we'll go over here to this safe

3415
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:38,480
planet and then we'll come back pick you

3416
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:40,320
up you know give you some bananas

3417
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:41,840
you know give you some vitamins some

3418
01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:44,239
dailies some daily total mens

3419
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:46,480
but then by the time you got back it's

3420
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:47,760
everybody would be like 2

3421
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:49,760
000 years later these gods coming from

3422
01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:51,440
the sky right yeah

3423
01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:54,880
dude we

3424
01:59:01,510 --> 01:58:58,320
did it oh man why is it so fun

3425
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:01,520
to figure it's like there's no

3426
01:59:05,430 --> 01:59:03,840
right answer that's why it's fun i think

3427
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:05,440
yeah because like

3428
01:59:08,790 --> 01:59:06,960
but my brain tells me you know what

3429
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:08,800
you're a little bit closer but

3430
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:11,440
yep and i think yeah like just talking

3431
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:13,280
through it like i've never thought about

3432
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:13,840
that

3433
01:59:20,229 --> 01:59:19,599
fun dude yeah well dude i mean with with

3434
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:20,239
michael

3435
01:59:24,870 --> 01:59:22,800
on tonight like i said to you earlier

3436
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:24,880
it's like

3437
01:59:30,790 --> 01:59:27,920
i'm okay if

3438
01:59:32,070 --> 01:59:30,800
a lot of this stuff is man-made it

3439
01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:32,080
doesn't upset me

3440
01:59:35,990 --> 01:59:34,960
yeah you know uh you know some people

3441
01:59:37,830 --> 01:59:36,000
think that oh

3442
01:59:39,669 --> 01:59:37,840
you know well michael's just trying to

3443
01:59:41,910 --> 01:59:39,679
discredit everything you know

3444
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:41,920
he doesn't believe in aliens or ufos and

3445
01:59:47,589 --> 01:59:44,480
that's not what he's saying at all

3446
01:59:51,669 --> 01:59:47,599
i think actually uncovering

3447
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:51,679
uh what is man-made allows us to better

3448
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:52,800
understand

3449
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:55,199
what isn't man-made right and that to me

3450
02:00:00,709 --> 01:59:57,520
makes what isn't man-made

3451
02:00:02,390 --> 02:00:00,719
so much more fascinating yes yeah so

3452
02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:02,400
that's a good point like i feel like

3453
02:00:05,669 --> 02:00:04,400
maybe some people that are may have made

3454
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:05,679
it this far are thinking like

3455
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:06,800
well what are they trying to say like

3456
02:00:11,589 --> 02:00:08,800
there's no aliens yeah and like

3457
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:11,599
you might be bummed but that's not what

3458
02:00:13,350 --> 02:00:12,880
he's saying i don't know what we're

3459
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:13,360
saying

3460
02:00:17,270 --> 02:00:15,199
not at all yeah that's a good point it's

3461
02:00:20,470 --> 02:00:17,280
kind of like so this whole like

3462
02:00:23,510 --> 02:00:20,480
ufo thing is kind of like a giant game

3463
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:23,520
of guess who it's like does your person

3464
02:00:26,790 --> 02:00:25,199
wear glasses and you're like nope and

3465
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:26,800
you gotta flip all the people without

3466
02:00:29,910 --> 02:00:27,360
glasses

3467
02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:29,920
did your person have a mustache nope

3468
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,760
flip all the people without mustache

3469
02:00:34,870 --> 02:00:33,119
you know what i'm saying and then like

3470
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:34,880
does your person have an

3471
02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:37,599
yeah well yeah yeah i gotta leave

3472
02:00:41,830 --> 02:00:40,159
all my people up now

3473
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:41,840
it's kind of one of those situations to

3474
02:00:48,550 --> 02:00:44,080
where like

3475
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:51,910
your card had antennas

3476
02:00:56,550 --> 02:00:55,679
right but my antennas are my on my

3477
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:56,560
nipples

3478
02:01:00,470 --> 02:00:58,080
but i tape them down but the other

3479
02:01:01,510 --> 02:01:00,480
person's card doesn't have anything to

3480
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:01,520
do with antennas

3481
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:03,840
right so why would you ask to ask does

3482
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:05,360
your person have antennas right

3483
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:07,360
because you don't even know it exists

3484
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:08,719
yeah i don't even know you don't know

3485
02:01:12,629 --> 02:01:10,560
the question

3486
02:01:14,470 --> 02:01:12,639
to ask yeah how can you ask the right

3487
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:14,480
question when you don't even

3488
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:16,560
realize that that's a possibility shout

3489
02:01:21,030 --> 02:01:19,119
out to melinda and lorien for that

3490
02:01:23,109 --> 02:01:21,040
that's they said that fun from the

3491
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:23,119
beginning yep yep they were like hey so

3492
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:24,800
you guys are new to podcasting cool

3493
02:01:28,149 --> 02:01:27,280
this is literally not like a year ago

3494
02:01:30,950 --> 02:01:28,159
bro yeah

3495
02:01:32,149 --> 02:01:30,960
naughty well yeah a year ago we're so

3496
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:32,159
new to this by the way

3497
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:33,840
anybody new listening we're so new to

3498
02:01:36,870 --> 02:01:35,199
this we're not even a year in

3499
02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:36,880
right we're learning we're learning so

3500
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:39,040
so much anyway we've been in ufos

3501
02:01:43,030 --> 02:01:40,239
since we were kids but

3502
02:01:43,669 --> 02:01:43,040
the learning actual is like yeah

3503
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:43,679
very new

3504
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:46,560
yeah but but our our our kind of our

3505
02:01:50,470 --> 02:01:48,080
mentors really

3506
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:50,480
said from the beginning like know the

3507
02:01:53,910 --> 02:01:51,599
question

3508
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:53,920
if you do talk to somebody that knows

3509
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:54,880
some

3510
02:01:58,870 --> 02:01:57,440
make sure you know the right

3511
02:01:59,990 --> 02:01:58,880
questions to ask

3512
02:02:02,830 --> 02:02:00,000
because they're not just gonna give it

3513
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:02,840
to you yeah uh do you think aliens are

3514
02:02:10,229 --> 02:02:05,280
real

3515
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:16,470
so sparse

3516
02:02:20,870 --> 02:02:20,310
oh man and i'm really excited because i

3517
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:20,880
feel like

3518
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:24,239
now moving forward

3519
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:28,719
like i'm starting to understand

3520
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:31,920
what questions maybe to ass i'm not you

3521
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:32,320
know

3522
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:35,520
your ass dude

3523
02:02:40,629 --> 02:02:38,000
well well that sounded sexual nope no

3524
02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:40,639
piggy piggies in my ass

3525
02:02:45,430 --> 02:02:42,400
you keep your piggy in a blanket over

3526
02:02:49,510 --> 02:02:48,229
but yeah i i still feel like i'm just so

3527
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:49,520
so clueless and i just

3528
02:02:54,229 --> 02:02:51,599
i i'm liz i try to listen as much as

3529
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:54,239
possible i know i think i went on

3530
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:57,119
one kind of uh rant tonight that uh at

3531
02:03:01,910 --> 02:02:58,400
the end i was like

3532
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:01,920
i said too many words but but

3533
02:03:05,669 --> 02:03:04,560
what i want to do is listen more and and

3534
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:05,679
i i feel like

3535
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:08,239
yeah you're you're definitely more like

3536
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:09,119
getting to

3537
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:12,639
understand what questions to ask like

3538
02:03:16,470 --> 02:03:15,199
uh that are that are important to get

3539
02:03:19,589 --> 02:03:16,480
more information

3540
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:19,599
out right i do a lot of spec speculation

3541
02:03:26,149 --> 02:03:23,520
like what if like oh the thing was green

3542
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:26,159
we know which is fun yeah yeah but i see

3543
02:03:29,669 --> 02:03:27,920
i think that's kind of like what makes

3544
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:29,679
this work i mean we obviously have

3545
02:03:33,189 --> 02:03:30,800
differences

3546
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:33,199
you like you like doing shows which is

3547
02:03:36,390 --> 02:03:34,159
me and you i like

3548
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:36,400
a little bit i enjoy the shows where we

3549
02:03:40,709 --> 02:03:37,440
have guests

3550
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:40,719
yeah and it's because like

3551
02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:43,760
i'm learning so much like every time we

3552
02:03:47,669 --> 02:03:45,840
have a guest and you like guests too

3553
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:47,679
right but you have a lot of fun when

3554
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:49,040
it's just me and you

3555
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:50,960
yeah you know yeah there's there's

3556
02:03:56,470 --> 02:03:53,199
definitely there is a balance

3557
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:56,480
which um i think every good show

3558
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:00,480
should have um not necessarily a

3559
02:04:06,149 --> 02:04:03,520
a opposite because that would

3560
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:06,159
you know i think i'm not talking

3561
02:04:10,149 --> 02:04:08,400
about the podcasters that we met but it

3562
02:04:12,229 --> 02:04:10,159
was like a flip side oh

3563
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:12,239
yeah it was like the skeptic and the

3564
02:04:16,069 --> 02:04:13,840
believer yeah yeah i mean those were

3565
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:16,079
cool dudes but yeah definitely

3566
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:18,480
that's not us um yeah there's definitely

3567
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,440
like

3568
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:22,159
a uh in between area but yeah i think

3569
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,599
that's what makes this show

3570
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:25,360
fun isn't it but it's it's nice though

3571
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:26,880
because even though like

3572
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:29,440
i may be learning the questions to ask

3573
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,360
to have the speculation on the other

3574
02:04:35,830 --> 02:04:33,199
side

3575
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:35,840
motivates the brain to like oh i

3576
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:37,119
should ask this question

3577
02:04:40,629 --> 02:04:39,280
on top of this yeah because it's taking

3578
02:04:42,550 --> 02:04:40,639
it a step further and

3579
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:42,560
that's what's good about just me and you

3580
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:44,719
shows is that we do that

3581
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:47,840
yeah so dude yeah we need another

3582
02:04:52,229 --> 02:04:49,040
episode where we

3583
02:04:54,709 --> 02:04:52,239
uh we need another movie episode uh so

3584
02:04:56,149 --> 02:04:54,719
yeah i won't just plug uh ryan sprague

3585
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:56,159
again but he had a great episode where

3586
02:05:00,470 --> 02:04:57,440
they do movie reviews

3587
02:05:00,709 --> 02:05:00,480
really good ours were terrible dude ours

3588
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:00,719
are

3589
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:03,520
so bad like we didn't even comment we

3590
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:03,760
just

3591
02:05:06,620 --> 02:05:05,199
like watched the movie and we were like

3592
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:06,630
that's funny

3593
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:07,360
[Applause]

3594
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:15,189
like most of it's like

3595
02:05:19,109 --> 02:05:17,109
we did hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

3596
02:05:19,990 --> 02:05:19,119
and we're like the most boring

3597
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:20,000
episode

3598
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:24,000
wasn't that like our 50th

3599
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:27,280
and then i'm like listening to ryan's

3600
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:30,320
yesterday i'm like oh my god

3601
02:05:34,069 --> 02:05:32,560
uh that was like that's a great episode

3602
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:34,079
like they broke it down like very

3603
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:35,040
intellectually

3604
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:37,599
also his guest um i should know his name

3605
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:39,119
but he sounds like uh

3606
02:05:44,069 --> 02:05:42,800
louis ck oh does he yeah no i mean i'm

3607
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:44,079
i'm not talking i'm just saying

3608
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,159
like wait who wait who's this again

3609
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,480
yeah anyway they're both hilarious that

3610
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,560
that are uh the most recent episode

3611
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:52,480
they talk about the arrival with charlie

3612
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:53,840
sheen oh yeah and

3613
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:57,520
arrival with uh hot chick

3614
02:06:01,589 --> 02:06:00,880
uh yes yes yes yes yes the arrival with

3615
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:01,599
charlie sheen

3616
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:04,560
and all right rival with hot chick yeah

3617
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:05,119
yes

3618
02:06:12,069 --> 02:06:08,719
but anyway we should uh maybe not do

3619
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:12,079
movie reviews maybe let's just try maybe

3620
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:14,320
do it better maybe we should take ryan

3621
02:06:18,229 --> 02:06:15,360
sprague's guest

3622
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:18,239
and have a movie review with us it would

3623
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:20,719
be better

3624
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:23,360
we have ryan sprague and his guest on

3625
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:24,800
and then we just don't say anything

3626
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:27,440
we're just quiet

3627
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,639
but like it would be the same thing

3628
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:30,560
because we would be like

3629
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:33,440
that was cool that was cool we were like

3630
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:34,079
hey

3631
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,760
can you guys tone it down we're trying

3632
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:37,840
to watch the movie

3633
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:41,199
did you guys shut up hey hey oh

3634
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:43,199
damn it i missed the best part i gotta

3635
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:45,520
rewind it hold on we'll talk about this

3636
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,159
shut up oh man

3637
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:53,280
ryan's guest come on now i'll feel bad

3638
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:54,320
hold on i'm gonna

3639
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:57,360
i'm gonna listen it's so funny i

3640
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:59,920
just looked at it also i just updated my

3641
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:00,880
uh phone so

3642
02:07:03,990 --> 02:07:03,360
everything's different oh that's always

3643
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:04,000
good right

3644
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:05,840
yeah so if i'm trying to search for

3645
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,599
stuff it's

3646
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:09,840
no way no way it's like not saved yeah

3647
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:10,800
thank you guys

3648
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,960
if you guys um comment on our our

3649
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,960
youtube um

3650
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:17,360
the video or our facebook group and let

3651
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,159
us know

3652
02:07:24,830 --> 02:07:20,480
because it would take too much long too

3653
02:07:43,589 --> 02:07:26,790
time

3654
02:07:45,189 --> 02:07:43,599
oh man oh well this was good man this

3655
02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:45,199
was definitely good

3656
02:07:49,510 --> 02:07:46,400
guys don't forget to go check out

3657
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:49,520
phoenix shaving phoenixshaving.com they

3658
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:50,880
got all your uh your

3659
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:54,480
your goody good smells uh

3660
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:57,520
smell good big good smells

3661
02:08:03,589 --> 02:08:00,960
at shaving phoenix

3662
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:03,599
smell good uh go check them out they are

3663
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:05,520
coming out with new fall scents

3664
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:08,560
so you know uh if if your girl

3665
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:11,040
loves pumpkin spice lattes go and get

3666
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,400
just get a little pumpkin

3667
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:14,960
spice soap and then she'll love you as

3668
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:17,360
much as she loves pumpkin spice lattes

3669
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:21,040
all right and uh also redeemer small

3670
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:22,079
batch don't forget to go

3671
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:25,599
check them out uh good news everybody uh

3672
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:27,360
if you're in a state where it's all like

3673
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:29,119
weird and stuff uh

3674
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:31,360
you're still able to buy the pre-rolls

3675
02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:32,880
uh this of the cb

3676
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:35,360
dubies which is until february 1st until

3677
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:37,040
they get back into it again

3678
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:40,159
um you can go check them out and right

3679
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,920
now if you go and do it you get zero

3680
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:43,280
down zero apr

3681
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:47,040
if you use the code ufo garage 15

3682
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:49,440
get 15 off of your total purchase man

3683
02:08:52,709 --> 02:08:50,400
what do you think

3684
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:52,719
i'll tell you what i'll tell you

3685
02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:53,599
hey

3686
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:55,840
if you could if you got are you driving

3687
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:57,119
a car it

3688
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:59,040
come on now i'll give you a goddamn i'll

3689
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:00,400
give you the damn car

3690
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:03,040
just buy it okay we got zero

3691
02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:03,840
down

3692
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,400
zero zero beyond

3693
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:13,280
it took like uh all of my power to not

3694
02:09:17,189 --> 02:09:13,920
interrupt

3695
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:17,199
michael when the four before the ford

3696
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:19,040
illustration of the truck hey michael

3697
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:21,520
more importantly we want to know

3698
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:25,760
shut your mouth shut up

3699
02:09:30,470 --> 02:09:27,840
do you have any idea was it in the

3700
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:30,480
report at all on this ufo case on how

3701
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:30,880
much

3702
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:34,239
fourth that he's driving

3703
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:35,920
90 miles an hour i mean they had a

3704
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:38,719
celery for now

3705
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:42,239
oh my gosh dude well yeah man this was

3706
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:42,800
uh

3707
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:44,960
this was very good i had a great time it

3708
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:46,639
was a good time hell yeah